Hey! There's a lot of open dirt land near my apartment on Begur Road. That's usually where I run.

What about you?

Quote from: drksargod on April 02, 2013, 09:37:02 PM
Taseem... Where do you run your vehicle in bangalore?

How are wolfpack batteries that you guys bought working now?
I'm planing to buy this
http://www.rcbazaar.com/products/2267-wolfpack-4200mah-35c-148v.aspx
is this reliable?

I wanted to buy 4s 35c 4000mah zippy lipo but it is not available on any Indian site.
Does anyone know if there is any piece to sell?

Wolfpacks may not be great.
The first one i got from rcbazaar was bad.
But they gave me a new one AT ONCE.
i returned the bad one only 3 months later.
The replacement Wolfpack IS ABS FINE.

http://www.rcproduct.in/zippy-lipoly-batteries/16-zippy-flightmax-4000mah-3s1p-20c.html
Try this.

I need 4s only

Oops

i bought 2 of them and damaged one on a crash, the crashed one lasts longer than the good one,
and it always reads as 3S battery in a ESC though both were 2S only. Crazy batteries.
Yet good and Cheap.
Zippy are costly but good.

We do have a 4S 40C Zippy in stock but it's 3000mah.

http://www.ebay.in/itm/ZIPPY-Flightmax-3000mAh-4S1P-40C-LiPo-/190967155169?pt=IN_Toys_Games_School_Stuff&hash=item2c768789e1#ht_2109wt_1188

My transmitter Lipo Avionic 2200mah,11.1V, has swollen and discharges extremely fast about 4-5months old,not happy with that

Quote from: IndianHobbyShop on January 18, 2014, 02:57:47 AM
We do have a 4S 40C Zippy in stock but it's 3000mah.

http://www.ebay.in/itm/ZIPPY-Flightmax-3000mAh-4S1P-40C-LiPo-/190967155169?pt=IN_Toys_Games_School_Stuff&hash=item2c768789e1#ht_2109wt_1188

you are selling it for double the price. on HK it is just 32$

Wolf pack lipos cannot handle high discharge even if it's below their rated capacity. And yes if ur unlucky it will go bad soon. I don't know what was purpose of selling such grade batteries. Only name goes down amongst hobbyist who know their stuff. Sad but honest reply. IND power work well regardless of it costing lesser.

@desairaj
It because we don't just pay the cost of the product but we do have to cover a range of other expenses as well.

FedEx Shipping cost (From HK to India)
FedEx Customs clearance charges
Actual Customs Charges
Taxes

All of these make the price go beyond what you see on HK's website.

Why fedex? Why ship to India from hk in a week and put it on sale for months? U can use registered airmail. For Lipos.
For 4000 u can buy 2 Rcdhamaka 4s 2200 lipos(big ones out of stock)and still save money. If Rcdhamaka had stock most of the time . No one would have had the chance to sell their lipos at stupid prices.

Performace of Airmal degrades quite a lot during this time of the year. So we have been opting FedEx over it for the moment.

Moreover FedEx or Airmail doesn't put a big impact on the pricing. The main culprit here in this case is the huge Duties and taxes from Indian Government.
You you are willing to do a long run business in India, you can't even think about evading duties or taxes.

That's why you don't see HK Products with LHS's operating from long time (and legally) in India.
They are forced to find products cheaper than HK's otherwise their prices will also be considered 'Stupid'.

Quote from: pravesh736 on January 18, 2014, 12:59:46 PM
For 4000 u can buy 2 Rcdhamaka 4s 2200 lipos(big ones out of stock)and still save money.

May i know the C Rating of the LiPo you're talking about here?

C rating u speak of Is 20 c. So is a 40c suppose to be twice the cost? See the point is its 32$ in hk and 4k in ur eBay. A 2200 4s 20c cost 16.38. Price here is 1650. So 2 2200 in parallel form a 40c 4400 4s while ur selling 40c 3000 4s. So. we are calculating per dollar in rupees. Resorting to C rating won't help.
Any wise guy looking to do long term business wouldn't be buying from hobbyking but from suppliers instead.
FedEx or airmail. That does make a impact worth considering. We are not sitting ducks doing nothing. Some of us know how things work.  And hk products are not superior to others, I fact it is inferior. They make the cheapest quality products amongst all well known companies. LHSes dnt buy from hk because they can get wholesale rate of similar products coming from same factories or better. Continuing to buy from hk instead of supplier is stupid. Prices are considered stupid when it's stupid.
-not 40c, 20c only when in parallel.

Quote from: pravesh736 on January 18, 2014, 02:33:23 PM
C rating u speak of Is 20 c. So is a 40c suppose to be twice the cost? See the point is its 32$ in hk and 4k in ur eBay. A 2200 4s 20c cost 16.38. Price here is 1650. So 2 2200 in parallel form a 40 c 4400 4s while ur selling 40c 3000 4s. So. we are calculating per dollar in rupees. Resorting to C rating won't help.

you are wrong you need 4 batteries to get 4s 4400mah lipo

nitesh sorry, do calculate again.

2 in parallel and 2 in series.
Very rude

Quote from: pravesh736 on January 18, 2014, 02:52:26 PM
Get lost. Period

There is no need to get rude here. Where is the provocation? I think an apology is in order

Sorry nitesh I don't think series connection is required.
Edit- 2 4s 2200 in parallel gives 4400 20c + 20c 4s . I cannot connect I series as I don't want an 8s. Rudeness is like sharpening a pencil when blunt. That's how I take it.

Oh sorry my mistake tought you are talking about 2s batteries I apoligise.
read the post carefully

Quote from: pravesh736 on January 18, 2014, 03:01:55 PM
Sorry nitesh I don't think series connection is required.
Edit- 2 4s 2200 in parallel gives 4400 20c + 20c 4s . I cannot connect I series as I don't want an 8s. Rudeness is like sharpening a pencil when blunt. That's how I take it.

Quote from: pravesh736 on January 18, 2014, 12:26:47 PM
Wolf pack lipos cannot handle high discharge even if it's below their rated capacity. And yes if ur unlucky it will go bad soon. I don't know what was purpose of selling such grade batteries.

Pravesh... what do you mean that the wolfpack lipos are below their rated capacity?... do you have any sufficient proof to back up this claim??.... if yes state this here and we will change our supplier the next day...... we have loads of customers and I personally myself have been using the wolfpack for a year plus now without any issues and this is the purpose of selling the lipos and we cut our margins for people like to you benefit and this is the purpose for selling these lipos at this price...
this time we have gone way beyond our means and are selling 25C lipos (from past 2 weeks) at the same price of 20C and even with hike in the usd....

put a justification to your claim and i will step back politely... and for the benefit of others there are only a handful of companies that "manufacturer" lipos in china but the cells are assembled in umpteen number of units...

sujju

@Pravesh
C Rating certainly makes a difference in pricing irrespective of the brand.
If the Advertised C rating is genuine then it will make even bigger difference. (It still won't be twice though)

Furthermore commonly used LiPo sizes like 2200mah tend to be cheaper than other LiPo sizes almost everywhere.

Base cost of $32 in HK + $8 Shipping = $40
$40 into INR with Bank's Currency conversion charges = INR 2600
+ 30% Customs = 3380
+10% ebay selling charges +VAT + Customs Clearance charges

and the remaining is our profit.

We don't have a VAT registration yet but we are in order of getting it. And once we do get it, we will have to pay VAT for all these older transactions as well.
That's what the law says. You don't necessarily need to have a VAT# if your yearly turnover is less than 5 lacs. But once you cross it, you need to get a VAT ID and ofcourse have to pay all VAT whether old or new.

Unfortunately I can clearly see that you're not putting the legal points in consideration.  


Coming to the point how does legally established LHS are able to sell at a lower rate.
The trick here is to keep the base cost as low as possible. The % still remains the same but all the amounts becomes quite low due to lower base cost. Unfortunately at times it means degraded quality.

As a matter of fact we are going to do the same very soon.
Can't help it. Customers are forcing us to do it by terming our prices as 'Stupid'
If you prefer price over quality then we will serve you price and forget about quality.

Quality se yaad aaya. I highly believe that HK generally price a product according to it's quality.
I am sure you must have seen
the difference in quality of connectors like T-Connector, XT60, Bullet connectors, etc from HK and legal LHS's in India
Difference in quality between the ESC's from HK and legal LHS's in India
Difference in quality/Features between Bixler and silimar models from legal LHS's in India
Difference in quality/Features between Multi Rotor frames from HK and legal LHS's in India
even Difference between wire gauge on LiPo's from HK and legal LHS's in India
and many more.

I am not indicating that HK is anywhere close to perfect. They do have ridiculously higher prices on many products too but a fair part of products have justified prices

All i am saying is that if you need to do legal business in India then you have to get the average to cheaper quality products and still face criticism from the customers.
Legally selling High Quality products definitely seems quite impossible in the current scenario.

Rcbazaar-Yep . Not much factories there. I know.
Mah ratings maybe fine. But c rating are below capacity. I had this experience long back when I bought 2 lipos. I have no back up to proove unless I go and search hoskote field for those. Please ask 'experienced' hobbyist for feed back without sending them one to review for free. It does fine under light load but little more and u can see symptoms.
Please keep ur margins u deserve it, maybe use it on producing better batch. I dnt mind buying things that work.