Hi Guys, why is everyone using PPJoy and other software? Every flight sim will accept a stand alone dummy transmitter which takes no batteries and plugs into your USB port. I have a 6 ch and 8 ch unit here but use my 9ch Turnigy or Eurgle RC controllers. Rather expensive if you don't actually own aircraft but the stand alone units are terrific on XP, Vista and Win7. All you have to do is plug it in and windows will load the drivers and then just enter the game and select your dummy controller from the controller config menu. Set up your switches, calibrate and away you go. I assume you know that FMS won't work on any computer with an Nvidia graphics card. Well it will work but look like it's an old 386 PC.

Has anyone tried flying Real Flight on-line. It's fantastic. An occasional glitch when someone enters or leaves but that's about all. If anyone can go on-line let me know which flight you're in and I'll join you.

regards  Stu

i go online often, tell me a time and we can fly (realflilght 4.5)

@rastsaurabh: gr8, i will try to change com port. i have many apps which uses com ports. I will remove all apps and will try to use 3/4 com port.

Also i got "3S 1800mh 6C" battery added to my CT6B. So i think it will be give longer fly time in simulator as well.

how much is this battery "3S 1800mh 6C" and does it properly fit in the battery compartment of TX.
From where to get it?
another way ( if you know some electronic wiring ) use a 12Volt adapter. But Battery option is better can be used on field as well. and 1.8Ah is very very good.
Saurabh

No it does not fit compartment,,....but u can find way around....for starters i just used double sided tape and removed battery compartment cover...

I got it from RCDhamaka for 850rs...but they are out of stock nw.....u can get 2200 n 2600mha at aeroworks for around 2k......but keep eye for low discharge.....

Hey guys...i got it working thanx for your support.....
I'm using my ct6b with RF4.5 now.....issue was with com port i changed port of cable to 3 and it was detected imidiatly.....
So post is good to be closed.....

Good abhishek.....now lets try the simulators I am presently searching for simulator aerofly or reaflight .....do not close post....lets help each othr with simulators...

I'm using realflight 4.5, it has less fomies to try with may be 2-3. But i like it... do you know any si ulator with more number of fomies?

I'll help all I can with legitimate flight sims but I'm afraid I won't have anything to do with any which have been pirated. I've paid over a thousand dollars just this year on the latest flight sims and all the addon disks so there's no way I'm helping any rogues openly selling cheap Chinese knock offs on the forum. Or people buying them. Actually I'm surprised the forum allows people to advertise illegal copies. They are basically supporting illegal activities, but as I've been told by those making money from selling them, "nobody cares" and "It's only a problem if you're caught."

If you were running legitimate software there's the bonus of being updated with the latest planes and airports. bug fixes and software upgrades between major releases.

One program which has a lot of foamies is Clearview. A legal copy is only $49.00 and it's a lifetime update. I bought mine about 6 years ago and it's been upgraded about twice a year plus there's thousands of planes and airports. Plus the graphics are excellent. I'm swapping aircraft all over the world. I think there's about 1200 in my collection. So many I haven't even flown half of them The group I belong to closed it's membership 2 years ago and we had a rule we would only swap with guys who swapped with others. It worked well but after a few really good planes were found outside the group the guys who designed and built them decided to clean out the spongers and it's now one for one. I give someone 10 planes then he gives me 10 I haven't got. Very fair and perfectly legal.

Forget paying the pirates you just make money for themselves. Get the real thing, the manufacturers are the ones who spend millions writing the software and improving it.

Stu

I know i cant change you  , still i will give it a shot, with an inceptional thought. answer yourself this question "Who benefits from Anti-(So called) Piracy Drive"

And neither should you attempt to try to change me, so your shot is a dud. As for the "so called" drive. I thought a drive was a determined push by a group of like minded individuals to achieve a desired result. I made a comment regarding a matter of International concern. I obviously wrongly assumed a forum was for the exchange of thoughts. I also wrongly assumed the administrators of a public forum would be against illegal activities being carried out under their noses, thereby holding themselves open to charges of aiding and abetting.

It would appear that possibly, certain people are scared of treading on the toes of those individuals involved in making money from copyright infringement. The blatant advertising and business transactions openly displayed for all to read with no intervention by administrators of the forum makes one wonder exactly what level said administrators are involved. If that isn't the case then maybe they are concerned that making a stand against these activities will  cause a drop in membership.

It would appear that India's culture embraces and encourages piracy or copyright infringements in the movie industry, software and it seems, RC as well. It would also appear that any attempt at presenting any alternative even though it involved assisting a member is likely to incur the wrath of administrators and subject any such attempts to well worn and useless questions such as "Who benefits" the answer quite clearly, isn't the forum or certain members involved in the traffic of such items. The answer to this question is obvious to anyone with a modicum of common sense. The very people who are responsible for the software being available in the first place, the legitimate users who have payed for the software. Without those who actually pay there would be nothing to pirate. In short Myself and people like me are paying to allow the scroungers of this world benifit.

Elsewhere in the majority of the world's forums even mentioning how to use or the selling of pirated software is barred but at the same time sensible conversations regarding copyright laws are openly discussed. So before anyone tells me to go to those forums and keep my opinions off this one I will do exactly that, because I won't be changing for anyone and definitely won't be pressured into doing so. I was enjoying my time here but I'm afraid I have no time for supporters of piracy or administrators who turn a blind eye to scum pirates openly taunting anyone with differing ideas.

Finally please notice that at no time have I stated I like copyright regulations. Unfortunately they are written into most country's laws and as such I am bound by those laws and have a choice to follow them or thumb my nose at the authorities. Thankfully I prefer the former.

Just because it isn't well policed doesn't mean it's legal. I have no idea if the politicians or keepers of the law are part of the multi billion dollar piracy networks in India. Giving a cursory glance it certainly leads one to suspect that everything isn't clean and aboveboard. Otherwise piracy would be where it is in most civilised countries, underground. Sooner or later India will be forced to act due to pressure from companies such as Microsoft and other multinational conglomerates. Only then will we see the rats deserting a sinking ship. Who knows we may even see forums actively allowing open discussions regarding piracy instead of attempting to "change" people's beliefs.

By the way, I don't expect this post to have a long life judging by personal feelings of others so I have a complete copy which is available should anyone wish to see my comments. My email address is known by a few but will reach me. It however isn't an open forum and anything undesirable will be fittingly disposed of.

Stu

let me start by saying "you are 100% right on this issue", let me give you a larger perspective on "Zero Tolerance to piracy vis-a-vis some tolerance to Piracy" (I am 100% against all piracy of all sorts, and completely with you on this issue)

There is an old adage which says "Windows 95 is Mac 85", mac made OS which couldn't be pirated, windows did sort of allow it, which led to them taking over the world, today, with the after sale support and updates people prefer legit windows to pirated. similar case with any popular software, "Pirated software penetrates masses, makes them get used to it to a point where they cant do without it, not easily piratable version II comes along and they buy it, as simple as that" 30 day trial is a big BS, you cant make up your mind in 30 days.

you got to walk off the pedestal you are standing on for a short while and try and see this point of view

Software companies allow it and make a hue and cry about it and soldiers like you fight for them, without seeing (Or not able to see) the big picture.

i don't use pirated anything because of my own ethical issue, i will not preach it to anyone

disclaimer
this is my personal analysis.

PS
netizens don't have any country barriers

I agree, being in software industry, i know how it feels when you see your stuff/app/game/tools for free on torrent, RSS etc. However it can't be changed. If we want we can make software hard to crack. But we dont and reason is what rcpilotacro said. Windows will not sue home users, there nothing there in it for them.But they can earn big time in sueing big companies. So componies will never go for free stuff  over the net and without support/services.

But, fact remains. We need to move piracy topic to some other posts. @ Propfella thanks for clearview advice, will check it out, hope i get some easy demo version to check if it works with my Fly Sky CT6B.

Edit
Edited from SMS to readable language.

Quote from: Propfella on July 03, 2012, 06:19:44 AM
I was enjoying my time here but I'm afraid I have no time for supporters of piracy or administrators who turn a blind eye to scum pirates openly taunting anyone with differing ideas.

Valid point. I should consider banning any discussion on pirated sims, to be puritan about copyright laws. Personally, I own an original Phoenix sim, an original RealFlight 4 (now given to my brother), and the latest being an original Real Flight 6 that I bought from the US forums a few months ago.

http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=839984

That said, let us a take a look at yourself for a moment.  Elsewhere, you have called people fools because they said HobbyKing is stealing others designs/products.

http://www.rcindia.org/electric-planes/hobby-king-is-'copy-king'-this-time-funjet/msg107508/#msg107508

But you had no problems with openly supporting HobbyKing who seems to be openly selling "fake" products.  See their own advertisement of "genuine" and "copy" of the same product.

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5548

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=15379

So what have you done to oust HobbyKing, and their administrators ? All of a sudden, does the world seem a little less than perfect ? Are you, as puritan as you really claim you are (this applies to everyone!) ? Or is all this outburst just a outcome of your unrelenting loyalty being questioned, this being an open forum ?

My complaint is the fact the forumn is allowing prated software peddlers to openly show photos and even take orders from customers. This place is an absolute goldmine for these people. They get 100% free advertising, a venue to show their wares and the use the forum to negotiate sales. I mentioned piracy a few days ago andmy post was preceeded by "I have 4 left to sell"  Yet after my post "I have sold out and I'm ordering a new batch" I got the feeling it was done with an extended middle finger. If that's how these peddlers work on the forum then I feel it's time something was done.

According to your Copyright Act:....

The Copyright Act of India provides rightholders a dual legal machinery for enforcing their rights. The
enforcement is possible through (1) the Copyright Board and (2) the courts. Legal remedies include
imprisonment and/or monetary fines - depending upon the gravity of the crime. Sometimes remedies also
include seizure, forfeiture and destruction of infringing copies and the plates used for making such
copies. The 1984 amendment has made copyright infringement a cognizable non-bailable offence. Under
the provisions of the Act any person who knowingly infringes or abets the infringement of copyright is
considered as an offender and is punishable with a minimum of six months imprisonment which may
extend to three years and a fine between fifty thousand and two lakhs rupees. The 1994 Amendment has
incorporated a special penal provision for knowingly using an infringing computer software. The
punishment provided for this act is imprisonment for a term of seven days to a maximum of three years
and a fine between fifty thousand and two lakh rupees.

Pretty straightforward. If the wrong person happens to see what is going on, this forum could be closed very quickly. Someone may questio if it's my place to bring this up. Obviously nobody has in the past and I certainly don't wish to see it closed down. Maybe it's because I'm an outsider that I could see the danger of allowing this to continue. I'm not a copyright fanatic but I feel I have the right to refuse to swap planes (non-copyright) with people using this software and I hope I have the right to encourage people to do the right thing and but their software legally, such as jjaaxx44 above. He has me confused as to what the heck a ct6b is though??

By the way, for anyone actually buying Clearview legally I will happily supply extra planes to. If someone wishes to organise a free place to upload them so they are freely available to other buyers. No I'm not on commission or get freebies.

I'm sorry Gusty, I just don't believe in your statement. Most people will go for a free or really cheap software package rather than pay for it. Yes a number of people may buy it but when they see the price but know they can get it at 10% of that and just download the manual in PDF format there's little incentive in running legit. The most you will get is the business person thinking he may get caught. The ordinary worker or teenager isn't concerned when the belief is they won't get caught, and they're right. Look at what happened when Microsoft said it was finished with XP. They were bombarded by mountains of complaints. So many in fact they changed their mind.

I don't think moving the problem elsewhere will work jjaaxx44. In my opinion it should be dropped altogether. If it's so important let someone else start another forum. You can see above my reasons for that. I'm certainly not working for software companies in any way, shape, or form. I'm protecting my investment in legitimate software. If a company goes bust due to poor sales then my software suddenly becomes worthless. I lose future updates and addons. I see nothing wrong with that. I have never said I expect or want zero tolerance to piracy, except on public forums for stated reasons. I know jjaaxx44 has pirated software, some movies and music. He'd be very unusual not to. But he's not SELLING it. (that I know)

I have friends who partake of drugs, I don't condemn them. I will talk to them in public but certainly not at home. I enjoy their company when they are clean. BUT, I draw the line at the pushers, the killers of children and young adults. I'd be perfectly happy if a law was passed to shoot the lot of them. I do have sympathy to a degree for the person having to sell to feed their habit. At one stage they had a choice, They made it a number of times but peer pressure can be held to partially blame for that. The dirty mongrel who makes a fortune from easily led people is, to a much larger degree the same as a pirate. Making a living from something illegal.

Anyway I think I've had enough of this. I can't change anything so I will sit back and see what happens. I won't be holding my breath because I feel this runs deeper than I know. One thing I have learned in the past 10 years, if you beieve in something strongly enough you will try to change it, not sit on the fence.

Excellent response.... but NOT a word about gloriously supporting HobbyKing despite their openly selling copied stuff ?

The rule of thumb I followed is that we will not allow this forum to be a place where torrent links to counterfeit and copied software are posted.  If shops sell clone/counterfeit stuff, it is up to the government to block the import and sale of such stuff, and this forum would actually make it easy for them to find such infringement.

And while are at it... how about Google Adsense ? Many shops use it while mixing such sims along with genuine stuff.  Is it Google's job to police the same ? Hell, Hobbyking's Adsense ads are all over the place, and guess what they sell ?

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=14309

So we have a near perfect case of double standards here. I would personally love to hear you say ONE word against HobbyKing... just for fun.. just ONCE, please !

And while we are at "starting another forum for the self righteous only", let us also build another store that will replace HobbyKing, one that will be perfect.

I find anwars post rather sarcastic and as for HobbyKing selling fakes planes, I have no proof that is so. In fact I don't think anyone has 100% truth on the matter. Unlike some I don't get upset just because I heard from someone who heard it from someone 5 times removed. I do however know that pirated software is being sold on this forum. I have seen photos of it and seen enough written about it to know it's a fact.

I do know for a fact that HobbyKing sell the same kit but I'm sure they will laugh if I happen to mention it. They are protected by their country but stand the same chance of being taken to court for it. The only thing I can do is avoid it myself. As for the chargers, very clever. That is the first time I've had it pointed out to me. As for the rather stupid comment of what I have done to oust them (they don't have administrators) Nothing because I may as well urinate into the wind.

Please re-read the posting you pointed out to me. As is usual in these differences, someone tries to manipulate the truth. The commentmade by the person I made that answer to stated "EVERYTHING THEY SELL IS STOLEN" I said anyone who said that was a fool and I'll go one further, so is anyone who believes it.

As I have sufficient legitimate flight sims and more than enough chargers I won't be helping Hobbyking by buying those products but I do admire their honesty in saying it's a fake. But I don't see any comparison between me buying what I believe to be genuine and people on this forum using it to sell pirated software, they don'y by chance own the forum do they? Hobbyking owns theirs. For a forum which allows blatant advertising and selling of illegal software I find it strange to find so many self proclaimed anti pirated software owners.

I agree, you should ban ALL mention of using, selling or advertising piated sims. Every forum I'm a member of has. Way before I joined I might add. After all it is your responsibility to protect the forum isn't it. Should it be a matter for discussion? I personally don't think so. I can't blame Gusty, he's just finding his feet as a moderator. I honestly can't understand the reason for allowing it to be on here in the first place. Surely you knew you were breaking the law by allowing it.

As a matter of interest, any posts made on Hobbyking's chat forum relating to the use or buying of pirated software is greeted by the post being deleted and a very rude warning. Do it again and you get shown the door or simply find you can't log on again. Complain to Hobbyking and they state they have no control over their forum.

Your continuation of using one posting against something entirely different is not solving anything. Just exercising your one upmanship. Now you're including Google. I've had enough. Allowing people to use this forum so the authorities know ewhere to find them. What a complete load of BS that post was. You continue to allow YOUR forum to break the law after all, if you get caught you can always tell the magistrate that Hobbyking are baddies as well.
I was hoping for an intelligent conversation, that obviously isn't possible judging by your irrational comments.

Quote from: Propfella on July 03, 2012, 11:35:27 AM
Please re-read the posting you pointed out to me. As is usual in these differences, someone tries to manipulate the truth. The commentmade by the person I made that answer to stated "EVERYTHING THEY SELL IS STOLEN" I said anyone who said that was a fool and I'll go one further, so is anyone who believes it.

Show me where someone has said "EVERYTHING THEY SELL IS STOLEN".

Regarding people posting stuff on the forum, our rule is clear. If it is a product sold by stores in India, we will allow it, until law enforcement asks us to take it down for any reason. It does not matter to us if Stu/Propfella wants to sell Clearview here with a plane for free. 

For the records, I was being sarcastic at the double standards.  Glorious praise for a company who sells the the same product, while total maligning of the forum for its questionable user contents. You had to be tickled in between the ribs for you to state some carefully chosen sentences about how HobbyKing deals with criticism.

And I was using your "one posting" for a reason... to show your double standards.  Slightly inconvenient for you, but valid enough.

Quote from: Propfella on July 03, 2012, 10:48:47 AM
One thing I have learned in the past 10 years, if you beieve in something strongly enough you will try to change it, not sit on the fence.

Let us see you stop dealing with HobbyKing in protest, then we can decide if you are a man who stands by your words.

Quote from: Propfella on July 03, 2012, 11:44:46 AM
I was hoping for an intelligent conversation, that obviously isn't possible judging by your irrational comments.

Apparently all conversations where Stu is on the wrong side of the argument are de facto "non-intelligent".

Just to make a note......me and other forum friends (in this thread) did not mentioned use of cracked RF4.5 or shared any links to download the same..... just confused, how did simple config of tx and pc port topic went into piracy......

And while we are at it, there are tons of discussions about these sims on the main US RC forums, like RCGroups.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1667964&highlight=simul+dongl

And here is one for sale.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1644095&highlight=reflex+sim

I could post more from other widely known forums.  I do not see administrative action on them, just others urging caution.

As far as this forum is concerned, I am using my discretion on this, and will comply with legal issues as they arise.

PS: You are making me spend a lot of time on this "am I less evil than you" quest

Quote from: Propfella on July 03, 2012, 11:35:27 AM
I can't blame Gusty, he's just finding his feet as a moderator.

that is not true, stu, i never ever have looked to the left ←, someone after quite sometime told me that i have become some sort of forum hero or something and i have so many posts etc, i didn't even know or care.. My sole aim is to spread the hard earned knowledge for free,

Quote from: rcpilotacro on April 09, 2012, 06:17:19 AM
Thirukural Couplet 396
தொட்டனைத் தூறு மணற்கேணி மாந்தர்க்குக்
கற்றனைத் தூறும் அறிவு
meaning
In sandy soil, when deep you delve, you reach the springs below;
The more you learn, the freer streams of wisdom flow

and in the bargain motivate children to Join the IAF.

i found my feet the day the walked out of a burning aeroplane (Mar 1993), with facial skin hanging and flying boot all molten, and having seen the maker from the closer quarters many times after that.

Why-O-Why are you condoning HK selling counterfeit? while hanging the rest ? people get sold for a MQ-9 Reaper model, Mr Hand knows that full well and has tried that trick on you. (He was an Aussie settled in Honk Kong since he was 12 or something, so he is no longer an Aussie, stop defending him) if all pirates need to be hung (Which i feel, they need to be) let us start with HK, whatsay ?

Hello every one,
I have Simulator cable comes with Fly Sky 6-ch radio.
but now i have Dynam 6-ch radio these both re compatible.
if yes i am not able to use radio as simulator on FMS.
can anybody help me out