Hi guys.
this is to be my  'MAS 562' BUILD LOG with progress pictures  .
I am thinking this may be a slow build so whatch this space 
progress to date .......keel, frames/bulkheads marked out for cutting.
pics to follow.
regards
don

No problem Sir,
We will wait & watch as you progress, and all your building log pictures will be quite informative to us. 
All the best.

hi guys,
well here is the frames and keel awaiting cutting.
I am using 4mm MDF for the frames and a 4mm laminated floor layer for the keel,
both are quite hard and don't suffer from 'grain' problems and easily cut with fret saw or jig saw.
:-)


here how it should look later.


regards
don

Good start keep it up.
will be watching regulary.
Thanks Regards
Vivek Kumar Singh
www.rcelectro.com

hi guys.
well.......I've cut the frames/bulkheads and keel...here they are stood in their
relative position by the keel waiting for sanding and final assembly.



finished length will be 84cm [ 33inches] and a 9inch beam
powered by a brushless motor out of a 450 heli.....any sugestions for the prop?........I was thinking a 40 or 45mm brass but not sure on the pitch, runnuing on a 4mm shaft.
on the plan the rudder is on the stern ....I was thinking of moving it forward an inch and having it through the keel as more normal......will this effect the turning??
regards
don
UK

Sir, it is always good to follow the base plan, keep the rudder where it should be (although moving by 1" should not effect overall turning very much) and you can start with 4mm shaft & 40 mm prop. Otherwise you can change to 45 mm any time.

hello Sb_Maharana
many thanks for you'r input......it will save me reinforcing the stern keel.........
it's many years since I built a boat untill last year with the Anteres Cruiser and now this one .
bought boats back then used to have external rudder some times and internal on others but I never really understood if this was for a technical reason or just design.
I am having to cut another keel as the hard laminate on the outside of the floor covering I used will not easily peel off and will probably be a problem with glue. I will use the same MDF I used for the ribs/bulk heads.

by the way I am not elevated in any way so just plane Don will be fine ..........not Sir.......
regards
don

Good on you Don! I'm just finishing off a rather large project for a client (long overdue). It is midnight here while you gaze into the dusk at Bristol, I'm taking a breather and then going back to paint her in a while. What armament have you thought of for the 562?  Are you going to stick to the original or do you plan to modify? Depth Charges / Ack Ack batteries - Hmmm?

I have a rotten idea. Would you be adventurous enough to mix a PT109 or a Thornycroft Vosper Superstructure with the 562 hull? Let me know. The hull shapes are not identical, but similar, if one was building a generic MTB from WW2, I'm sure you know what I mean. I have a PT 109 project lined up and can send you pictures and plans if you wish.

Btw, "Sir" is used as an address to accord respect in India, as is "Uncle" when you refer to anyone (male) who is more than 15 years (roughly) elder to you - or if he is married. (In that case, his wife is referred to as Aunty / Aunt. If a person has a wife who is referred to as an Aunt, he automatically becomes the recipient of the epithet ''Uncle". Simple, isn't it?

Pity that you weren't knighted this time, old chap, Harry / William will undoubtedly make up for this oversight!

hi mate,
funny that because I was looking at the 109 and the fast rescue launches of the RAF,
but few plans out there that I found, looks like apart from a difference of 10ft variation between the various makes designs the MAS is the only one I found with a 'stepped hull' all the others are flat keel and the same 'speed boat type hull' some have the strip at mid hull to redirect the bow wash down.
I think I may keep to the plans for this.......twin bofor type AA guns , torpedo each side in a roll off frame and looks like depth charge rack on the stern,
yes I know address vocabulary differs between cultures..............It's just that over here Sir is a highly elevated gesture and awkward to accept some times  ,I will have to get used to a lot of differences in our cultures while 'residing on here' and talking to you folks out there  .
 you're a night bird too eh? I have been known to work in the early hours too .
yes pics and plans may well be too compelling to stay standard
just by way of a distraction...here is one I did about 6 years ago, 4 ft long HMS Prince of Wales, fibred hull but static display, all total scratch built......no parts bought for anything. about 3/4 way through the build in this picture

regards
don

hi guys,
just an update ......................half way through assembling the hull frames.
here


regards
don

Looking good Matey! You are tempting me but i need to get down to work on my half complete Torpedo Boat first.

Any chance of a few better snaps of the Prince of Wales?

hi guys
here is the only pic of it completed I can find.I shall take a few more.
this is mounted and just finished the aerial rigging.
it's 4ft long so is not currantly displayed but in a cupboard on a shelf
:-)

regards don

Bravo! A few clearer snaps will be much appreciated.

HI GUYS,
here are some pics of HMS PRINCE OF WALES, a King George v class Battleship 1941
temp covered with frame and 'clingfilm' until I can get proper case.

lower stern showing two props and rudder

bow shot

forward main turrets and bridge

aircraft catapult, recovery cranes and hangar [under the boat deck], and 5.5 AA gun turrets

stern main turret

stern AA positions and rear turret

thanks for looking.
regards
don

very nice ship, great detail work,
& well covered with frame & films.

hi guys,
back then I was not into RC and the proposed scenario was for it to be RC with working radar, turrets etc.
but then I saw the cost involved and it was built as a static model.
although the turrets all rotate and the rifles elevate on all turrets and the cranes work.
she is as was when commissioned with no camouflage paint, that came later
also about 6 months later they took away the second of two anchors on the starboard side.........there were origionaly two one side and one on the other.
regards
don

To build a static model is always difficult than RC, because one has to concentrate only on the ship details involved rather than a successful sailing compromising ship details.

Pity that I can't see any of the photographs.

hi VC,
HOW DO YOU pm ON THIS SITE?.............ok PM sent to VC..................
I cannot see a private messege button.
the pics are there in this thread........... send your email to

I will email them
I forgot to add.............. the ship is 1/200 scale................
although one chap built one at 20ft and can sit under the main bridge and drive it via cameras
HERE
http://www.visitwirral.com/site/wirral-news/2010/11/4/new-battleship-prince-of-wales-exhibit-at-fort-perch-rock-a173
regards
don

hi guys,
ok ................ to get back to the MAS build,
I have found 4 errors in the plan to date...........
1, the frame/bulkhead number 17 is to narrow [beam] by nearly 1/4 inch, so cut this one bigger,
2 frames 19,18,17, are not tall enough by approx  1/2in, 3/8in, & 1/4in , respectively from the engine bay stern wards. [ I will have to add on at the deck joint ][ or you could cut a far more stepped keel than on the plans] to have the frames as is, ,level for flat deck' would require a completely different keel to be cut with a much deeper rear step.[ the hull already has a bow upwards stance]
3 there are no reinforcement plates for the keel at the stuffing tube location, [ these need to be made and fitted before bulkheads]
4 also the bulk head at this point [num 17] is only marked to fit the keel without reinforcement plates
apart from that I have the main hull skeleton assembled I will post pics tomorrow to show the bulk head errors, as if you follow the plan, the deck at midships takes a dive down towards the stern instead of being flat, OR you could have a stepped deck as in some 'E' boats
also I have at the moment 'left out' the engine bay side sections as this will be electric and not gasser as shown in the plans..................this will give more room and possibly enable cooling better for the electric motor.

regards
don

HI GUYS,
Well this is the hull at present with top stringer detached to return to their proper positions.
note the stern step up is at an angle downwards not paralel to the deck.

I have now detached the rear three frames from the  keel and placed the hull upside down ....resting on the 'deck' ......so to speak. and re afixed the frames to the stringers following a 'flat deck line' the keel is now 2mm above the transom and only just locating in the frames 18 and 17.
it would apear the keel and the plan 'cutouts' for the keel to fit the frames is wrong it fits ok up to the 'engine room' but is wrong from the stuffing box to the transom.
here

the only thing I see to do is seriousely flatten the angle of the shaft and rejoint the keel to suit the frames .........OR extend the frames to meet the keel which would make for a different shaped stern stepup in the keel. [at the moment the stern step up is paralel to the deck as is the center step up]
has any one there actualy built from these plans?
did they have a problem like this?
the keel is assembled as per plan with a 6mm slot for fixing and sealing the stuffing tube.
regards
don

Looking good, so far........watching and learning......................

hi VC,
Well I have now removed the rear section of the keel,
I will have to trim the remaining keel to nearer the finished size and steps to take the hull bottom planks,
[I always leave the keel a little large at the bottom edge than the plans as it's easier to take some off to finished level than to add ]
then replace the rear section and reposition the stuffing tube slot at a shallower angle, leaving room for a 45mm prop if required,[I am going to try a 40mm first]
I will also be allowing the keel to support the stuffing tube to it's full length, instead of adding an 'A' bracket, this will give the effect of a small fin at the rear half of the hull.and I will just need to add a strap around the stuffing tube towards the end of the 'fin'.
pics to follow.
regards
don

hi guys,
well here is the new stern keel section  in place (black) with the raised section to carry the stuffing tube.
and the main keel (red) waiting to be trimmed down to its correct size,
here


the decks are now flat from bow to stern.
so I am now looking at cutting the 'planks' 3mm x 2mm  for the bottom from a piece of soft pine, I am thinking this will need to be opposing layers  [ 1 layer to run bow to stern, the 2nd layer to be diagonal ]   for strength,  and then light ply for the sides
regards
don

hi guys,
well here is the 'modified keel'
just needs sanding to the frames now,
and showing the prop shaft run in RED.[looks like about 12in shaft]


regards
don