think there is some reason to be proud of..after all..

how many of us knew this, shame on us

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shivkar_Bapuji_Talpade

Nice to know it.

This is most probably a myth just like the flying chariot theory.

no yaar.. i've heard this long time a go infact, but was never interested...untill i found this on the net.
Also,some Indian historians have confirmed it on tv in the past.

At the time when Wright Bros. were wondering how to turn/bank their 'plane'...germans were already doing demonstrations of their flying vehicles in europe!! saw this on a discovery ch show once.

It is all about propaganda...who tells it first, u see.

Quote from: Vector on March 23, 2011, 02:49:47 PM
At the time when Wright Bros. were wondering how to turn/bank their 'plane'..

some interesting info here http://www.flyingmachines.org/

thats nice( no mention of the chinese though), but i never mentioned Talpade was the first ever....Also we should try to understand why his work was never documented then..(i blame it on the "RAJ"for that)
Even today his work is apprecieted here ( not even a memorial), i guess we have always underestimated our own capabilities. may be our too much faith in the "west"  has something to do with our slave dna !

I really find it hard to belive that given the fact OUR civilization being the oldest in the world.. how we would have never ventured in this field .
we have forgotten our own roots.

I need to see the planes picture or a drawing at least before i can comment on such a topic  . Talking is very easy may be for some people. I have also heard flying machines way back in some Hindu scriptures, a flying carpet in Arab world & many more.

Right now the fact is the Wright brothers flew the first airplane sucessfully 

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Right now the fact is the Wright brothers flew the first airplane sucessfully 

Ohh,there we go again......some people will never learn i think .

yeah some people will never learn until someone gets their pushpak vimana and visit the non-believers.

PS- some ppl need to learn how to quote.

Some ppl hate this country or what  
and in that case why jump around when Sachin T. scores a tonn !!

Thats HIS individual achievement.... Whats there to be proud of..when You, didnt do it/anything for that matter yourself ...

Dear Sir,

Dont get personal and name calling. its the forum rule. btw i cant stand the CRAZY ppl who watch cricket all day. i have never liked the game nor i am proud of it. Not everyone in this country likes cricket. why not try badminton or chess which were invented in India. don't waste the day watching a game like cricket instead of doing something creative.

Thx

Edit the above two posts immediately to remove all name calling.  And let us stop this line of discussion right here.

Or I will do the honors of making them both disappear. We need to be civilized in our behavior, which means we argue without name calling.

yeah whatever happened to Democracy on this forum?

What is wrong with democracy ?  In democracy no one needs to follow any rules ?  There is only one big rule on this forum, which is to avoid name calling.  And I asked both parties... if you do not like this level of democracy, I will admit I am helpless, and I am Idi Amin.

Dear Idi,

Please dont Eat me.

Thx

Not amusing at all, until the posts are edited   

CrazyPilot... thank you for editing the post. Now that seems to convey what needed to be said.

We will not stop people from having differences of opinion or arguing, but it needs to be done with respect for individuals.

Vector,

Please look at it this way, for once, try and see my perspective, I have come across 1000s if not more, Combat Pilots, RC Pilots, RC Builders, Scratch builders across the globe, french, Israelis, Omanis, Italians, English Americans etc etc. you know what i learnt from all those interactions ? we all speak the same language, the language of flying. Borders, countries suddenly seem to vanish there,

VIEW NO 2 . i have done some real long distance flights, say from Mumbai to Frankfurt etc, you know what i noticed in those flights ? god hasn't made any borders. countries come and go seamlessly, unless you are looking at your Nav attack system, you don't even know which country you are flying over.


Question Number 1. So why shame on us, when we belong to the same small beautiful blue planet ?.

Question Number 2. Don't you think if talpades design was viable, it would have taken off.

Question Number 3. Don't you know there are plethora of such so called Conspiracy theories, like Who Conquered Mount Everest first ? was it our known two duos or George Mallory and Irvin, was it Alva Edison or Tesla etc etc.

No 4 If Mr Talpade did fly a heavier than air machine, what was the engine he used, was it powered ? towed? or was it a glider ? if it did have a engine was it a IC engine ? there are a lot of such questions that is natural to occur in any ones mind. No? Can you or any piece of history provide with answers

No 5 do you think anything and everything found on the web is gospel truth. you know it ain't . Right?

No 6 +1 one on the cricket thing, i don't think it is correct to call a money churning, horse trading, almost most of the time fixed thing like cricket , a game. i may sound blasphemous, but can you deny this fact ? it is utter waste of time, i rather build models or fly models or design models in that time.

No7. My request to you , start having a broader look towards this wonderful planet that we are living in, you will grow up in life, you will go abroad (If not already done) one day, you will realize, Humans are just the same, cast creed color may be different. I hope you do one day, that day probably you will stop feeling ashamed with life and the fact that you are an Indian

Disclaimer. Aim was to get you thinking and certainly not to hurt, if i did in the process, believe me it was unintentional

Come on, this is an attitude we must shed. It may have been a simple glider or a powered aircraft - what does it matter. It doesn't matter at all whether Mr. Talpade's craft flew or crashed. There must have been hundreds of ppl like him doing similar things. No need to shroud a simple experiment with the enigma of culture, community, vedas and what else. The wiki page has so few details and keeps repeating the same stuff but makes extensive references to religious texts and what teachers and students. For all his designs Da Vinci isn't seen  as an early aviator!!!

May be the Wright brothers and the west (in general) win each time because they shed the enigma crap early on in their efforts and be inclusive in developing anything. While we reach to the farthest past that we can think of and make simple things so difficult and exclusive!!

Thank you Amar/Vector for editing your post... it is already looking like a beautiful day outside

Sorry for the late action anwar..

CrazyPilot, it was never personal.

agustinev, I did a search on Mr.Talpade coz i had already heard about it from ppl around much before and didnt just stumble upon it by accident, ..i personally do not belive everything that is on the net and infact i keep pulling the legs of ppl living in a cyber world all the time .

on your #4, all i know is that it was an unmanned craft, glider to be prescise.
          #7, may i inform u that i m aware of all the ppl on this wonderful planet being the same and blah blah blah...., having spent few years of my life as a bush pilot in the US..i m sure i know all this very well. And, i also know what is the world view about us.
U say u flew till Frankfurt, i've gone beyond... Let me tell u the 'west', even today looks at us as ppl belonging to a country of "snake charmers", "Maharajas" and "Taj Mahal" dwellers   (On a lighter note, me and my friends easily managed to fool our American neighbours that we belong to royal families and our parents are "maharajas" of certain provinces:giggle: )
Moreover, they get a shock of their lives when they hear us talking in english!! and wonder how come we could afford to travel soooo far away from home....if we had any!

But more than all this my friend, what hurts me is that India /Indians donot/never get the kind of recognition they deserve.Thats all.

^^^^I am with Vector on the last two paragraphs.Just a small addition,not all westerners but few of them do believe this.

We do deserve recognition,just that we didn't try hard to be recognized.

Quote from: anwar on March 24, 2011, 02:04:55 PM
Thank you Amar/Vector for editing your post... it is already looking like a beautiful day outside

hear ! hear ! +1 on thanks for being more civilized, and editing the posts

Is that it...ohh, now we can all go home and plan our own weekend fun.

Quote from: augustinev on March 24, 2011, 06:20:43 AM
Vector,

Question Number 1. So why shame on us, when we belong to the same small beautiful blue planet ?.

Question Number 2. Don't you think if talpades design was viable, it would have taken off.

Question Number 3. Don't you know there are plethora of such so called Conspiracy theories, like Who Conquered Mount Everest first ? was it our known two duos or George Mallory and Irvin, was it Alva Edison or Tesla etc etc.

No 4 If Mr Talpade did fly a heavier than air machine, what was the engine he used, was it powered ? towed? or was it a glider ? if it did have a engine was it a IC engine ? there are a lot of such questions that is natural to occur in any ones mind. No? Can you or any piece of history provide with answers

Totally agree with Augustinev. We should not take pride on non-existing/un proven things. Its a truth, and lets accept it that affter inventing Zero and Pi our country was sleeping over 2 millinia, except occasional genius like Bose etc. Take out 'Rapidex GK' book see the list of modern inventors (right from pressure cooker till IC), you would hardly see any contribution from our country. The problem is that after univ like Nalanda in BC, the AD Raja's and Nawabs were busy collecting Nobel items for their Museum, instead of getting Printing Press back in 14th Century to aid mass education.

The internet is full of crack-pot stories from connotation of 'Actual meaning of Vande Mataram' and all that. We should be careful to take them as gospel truth and follow blindly.

I take pride that one Indian, like many, many other people around the globe, tried manned flight, tough unsuccessful. But it would not have been the best/most successful effort as the history stands for Wright brother for doing it first. Chinese were flying glider like devices since BC.