Quote from: sundaram on August 28, 2018, 07:26:38 PM
Absolutely Captain Manish.

That's the same opinion of other stalwarts in AMAI too. I believe a draft CAR Aeromodelling specific has already been submitted to DGCA and is well received by them and a separate CAR for Aeromodelling is likely to be issued in due course.

Yes sir that's right

Four years to evolve some simple rules, and then coming up with stuff like anti collision lights?

Reproducing below my email of 12.10.2014 to DGCA in response to their notification of 7.10.14:

Respected Sir,
This is further to earlier email.
It seems to me that there is a simple way to address the the safety and security concerns of DGCA, without curtailing the rights of hobbyists to enjoy their hobby.

1. DGCA could set up a website for flyers of remote controlled aircraft models to register on
2. Flyers of RC aircraft models can register by providing their name, ID, address, phone number, transmitter frequency and location of usual flying site, and get a registration number.
3. Flyers of non remote controlled models need not register.
4. Main restrictions can be:
- weight not to exceed 5kg
- no flight above 400 ft
- no flight within 5km of an ATC airport
- no flight over public or vehicles or houses. Rules for permission can be worked out.

The DGCA registration can be like a car numberplate. Flyers can proudly display on their models.

Anyone caught in suspicious circumstances can easily be identified as a bonafide hobbyist or not.

I sincerely hope that you would consider these suggestions.
You would recall that for many decades we were not allowed to photograph airports, something that is now allowed.

Sir, all aeromodellers are not necessarily enemies of the State.

Yours faithfully,
K.K.Iyer
Retired Director
State Bank Foundation Institute
Indore.

Respected Sir,
Does your captioned notice mean that that all recreational flying by aeromodellers is to be stopped?
Since i have been an aeromodeller for the last 45 years, and i and my wife fly RC models at an empty plot on sundays with a few friends, i need to know if it is still legal to do so.
Regards
K K Iyer,
Retired Director,
State Bank Foundation Institute
Indore

All our similar letters, comments, averments, representations etc were probably never even opened irrespective of the mode one employed to deliver those.

The draft that was published for public consultation in 2014 was binned. Then came Draft V2.0 during end 2017 which has been worked upon and now published in the form of CAR.

     

Quote from: flyingboxcar on August 28, 2018, 07:12:01 PM
Guy's just relax !!!
The current CAR is for RPA's (that is for multi-copters/drones)
Two things are clear from the CAR
1. If you want to fly a multi rotor above 50 feet and in other than nano or micro you will have to abide by the rules. Whether one likes it or not. That is the law.
2. The language of the CAR is clear in that it does not include traditional aeromodels. Thereby leaving room for separate rules for traditional aeromodelling community. This also goes in line with efforts being taken to have separate rules for aeromodelling. DGCA may involve ACI in that and that is good news.   

Just read and interpret Para 1.1 of the CAR and you will see the light. The same is also evident at Para 1 of the FAQ

Could you please point out where this draft makes a distinction between fixed-wing and multirotor aircraft? Reading the paragraphs you mentioned all model aircraft seem to be classified as RPAs.

I'm also curious how they plan to implement the NPNT system - there is no way they will be able to add it to hobby grade/ open source hardware, the question is if they will be able to get big manufacturers to implement it before sales in India.

Reminds me of another example.

Oneof the fastest growing job opportunities currently is fast food delivery.
Like zomato, swiggy etc.
Hundreds of youngsters got an opportunity to earn a living.

And you know what the RTO found?

That these boys were using two wheelers for 'commercial activity'
Hence must be registered as 'commercial ' vehicles and 'commercial ' drivers!

It's not hard to kill off any new initiative...

Back to the subject.
This 2kg limit means no more 40 size models!

They are talking about drones being legal in India...  but as per the rules.. what if one has a fully customized drone...  not a DJI or any ready to fly drone.. all my machines are custom designed...  how can that be registered? also what about importing of drones..  how people can import drones? they must also make rules on importing drones & its accessories

SK
Read the mentioned para again.

Who will pay fees of Rs.25000 or Rs.10000?
In rc hobby, we always try to get cheap products because of your budget and mostly beginner always buy cheap items. So, how hobbyist will pay Rs.25000 or Rs.10000.
For me, Drone is just a like flying thing. Drone is just a Quadcopter or multi rotor.Who wants to lose expensive thing?
We all become law breaker because of our government rules.
"We're hobbyists not criminals"

I tried my best to find the difference between aeromodelling and multi rotors in the draft but failed. Could you please show me where it says aeromodelling is exempted from all these rules? Everyone is in the same shoes here.

Difference pointed out at AMAI Forum

Does't the Model Aircraft becomes RPA if its piloted by a remote?

Yes, it does, people will decipher however they want. 
Everything controlled in air by remote is a rpa.

DGCA smh  

Quote from: sundaram on August 29, 2018, 02:24:37 PM
Does't the Model Aircraft becomes RPA if its piloted by a remote?

Quote from: sundaram on August 29, 2018, 02:24:37 PM
Does't the Model Aircraft becomes RPA if its piloted by a remote?

Yes sir, it does. Thats why i asked how aeromodelling is exempted from the rules when they are remotely operated too.

.............................?

For anyone who cares,

Its clearly indicated at 1.1 that RPA, Autonomous Aircraft and Model aircrafts are various sub sets of Unmanned Aircraft Systems (UAS).
Therefore it implies that both  RPA and Model Aircrafts are UAS. But all UAS are not model aircraft or RPA. Thereby clearly bringing out difference between an RPA and Model Aircraft.

Now see the heading of the CAR. And further Para 1.2 and 1.3 which specifically deals with RPA.
Doesn't the fact that the CAR is meant for RPA stand out like a 100 watt bulb lighting up in a dark room ?

There will be a different set of regulation for Model aircraft's. People are involved and talking to Govt rule making setup. Timeline is anyone's guess.

Hope that clarifies 

Quote from: pravesh736 on August 29, 2018, 03:10:35 PM
Yes, it does, people will decipher however they want. 
Everything controlled in air by remote is a rpa.

Absolutely not. That would be UAS as per DGCA/ICAO 

won't UAS operated with a Remote Control fall in the category of RPAS

Quote from: flyingboxcar on August 29, 2018, 07:46:25 PM

Quote from: pravesh736 on August 29, 2018, 03:10:35 PM
Yes, it does, people will decipher however they want. 
Everything controlled in air by remote is a rpa.

Absolutely not. That would be UAS as per DGCA/ICAO 

Thank u. Hopeful that different rules come out for model aircrafts.

Quote from: sundaram on August 29, 2018, 08:05:48 PM
won't UAS operated with a Remote Control fall in the category of RPAS

Too much confusion due to weird rules & terminologies
Add- Technically anything with remote control is rpa I think

have'nt read thru the relevant documents ,
but are there any para/sections which define the terms RPA and Model Aircraft ?
or maybe they are defined elsewhere.

in general law .... terms are always open to various interpretations unless defined beyond
all ambiguity in the beginning of the Act or set of rules being framed .

Quote from: flyingboxcar on August 29, 2018, 07:46:25 PM

Quote from: pravesh736 on August 29, 2018, 03:10:35 PM
Yes, it does, people will decipher however they want.  
Everything controlled in air by remote is a rpa.

Absolutely not. That would be UAS as per DGCA/ICAO  

Sir, can you please explain what a Model Aircraft is ?

Quote from: flyingboxcar on August 29, 2018, 07:44:57 PM
There will be a different set of regulation for Model aircraft's. People are involved and talking to Govt rule making setup. Timeline is anyone's guess.
Hope that clarifies 

Ah! A silver lining in the draconian rules. Keeping my fingers crossed.
Also does this mean the blanket ban stays till rules for model aircraft is out?

All aerial vehicles that are remotely operated will be under the category of UAS.
Within UAS, the rules have differentiated between RPA, Model aircraft and such

Quote from: ambattuhari on August 29, 2018, 08:16:24 PM

Quote from: flyingboxcar on August 29, 2018, 07:46:25 PM

Quote from: pravesh736 on August 29, 2018, 03:10:35 PM
Yes, it does, people will decipher however they want.  
Everything controlled in air by remote is a rpa.

Absolutely not. That would be UAS as per DGCA/ICAO  

Sir, can you please explain what a Model Aircraft is ?

Yes! why not? But I will stick to the CAR that we are all discussing.

"A model aircraft is an UAS that is not a RPA or autonomous aircraft"

So if your model aircraft has autonomous capability it ceases to be a model aircraft. Same, if it meets the criteria as in the subject CAR.