I dont agree Ujjwal, even your bike/ cars on road with power brakes are mass produced. Does not mean we should not use them near people or travel in them.

Every thing in life involves risk, but when done safely, is worth it.  Now dont you guys take it in a wrong way. 

From the video, it appears the heli is on 72Mhz. Antenna wire is visible.
In studios, I believe the AV equipment usually operates in Ghz spectrum for wireless communication.

i think the heli was of r madhvan..since he is also an aero-moddler and owns 6-7 rc helis......it can be the third idiot himself flying the heli

I have posted  my comment  on the you tube video  about such dangerous  acts those who feel strongly against this should also do so I think  this will at least register  with others that the  the RC community does not  approve of such stunts.
Its obvious that Amir was not the  one flying as he took his eyes of the heli at least once  when getting down the stairs no regular flyer would do that

Quote from: anwar on July 20, 2010, 09:25:37 AM
The issue is choice of heli.  Wonder if a smaller electric would have worked just as well for the purpose, yet greatly reduce the risk.  

If it was an electric Heli, It wouldn't have sounded like a real one and wouldn't have amused people. The smoke and all made it realistic. Also the raptor 30 is of decent visible size and very stable in such occasions. The person also was flying it carefully and decently.

Quote from: akky on July 20, 2010, 02:38:06 PM
i think the heli was of r madhvan..since he is also an aero-moddler and owns 6-7 rc helis......it can be the third idiot himself flying the heli

I think he flies only planes 

This was crazy act and can not be defended. All common sense and safety sense were ignored. As a modelling community let us do our bit, go on to the you tube video, and register our protest there 

In my opinion flying five or six feet above people in a closed studio is the most dangerous flying skill display I have seen. As we all are aware, no matter how careful the flyer is, so many things can go wrong which may not be within his control. 

good or bad...but whatever this protest and all happening on public forums is definitely bad..!! wid these protests happening, even if authorities feel (after watching aamir fly the heli) good abt the hobby, we as a fraternity are making them believe that its bad and dangerous....i m sure all the wise ppl in our country can definitely device a more diplomatic way to handle this....

now coming to aamir or whoever flew the heli on the show, guys, pls realize that these are not live shows....if god forbid something does happens, it wont be shown on national television (cut cut cut)...besides, i believe that show ppl wud have done their range check and homework on the safety aspect of it before getting it done..if anything goes wrong, its their channel and show which will get banned first...and when we talk of things going wrong, anything and everything in this world is dangerous...it depends on how we look at it...

the way i look at it, wid something like this happening, we gain an extra edge wid the authorities if we think abt it positively (like its safe cause it has been used at such a platform)...its better creating awareness about the hobby being positive about it..rather than giving it a negative stand..

I actually agree with wasi and Vinay.But still, a considerable risk to take.Someone had to do it.Now, our hobby is in front of the whole country.But, this might lead to some fool trying some stunts without proper knowledge.I am sure that the probable fool will not be on our forum.

At least, our hobby has got some POSITIVE publicity.But, I agree with everyone actually, .In this case, it was good for us.

Quote from: vinay on July 20, 2010, 02:12:37 PM
I dont agree Ujjwal, even your bike/ cars on road with power brakes are mass produced. Does not mean we should not use them near people or travel in them.

Every thing in life involves risk, but when done safely, is worth it.  Now dont you guys take it in a wrong way. 

None R/c part ever manufactured would be as quality checked than F1 Car parts. Even then you have long stretch of ballast (sand) and Fence/barricading between spectators and the track. What I emphasize is that a proper distance should be maintained in India when there is no Insurance regime like AMA has (I know AMAI/Ramesh sir's efforts, but it is still time everyone is covered).

And don't tell me Vinay that  you can consider HK/E-bay parts very reliable. People have had incidents of blade flying off already!!

Quote from: iamahuman on July 20, 2010, 06:42:21 PM
But, this might lead to some fool trying some stunts without proper knowledge.I am sure that the probable fool will not be on our forum.

I dont think any fool can even start a Heli without expert advise let alone fly it. What has happened wasnt the greatest show to do in a packed studio. Theres no point in crying over it.

ujjwaana ,again very true.In India, we need more safety.Like when I had gone to the special stage of the K1000 rally near bangalore,people came really close to the cars even after being advised not to.People just don't listen

Well yeah,that is true mail4ajo.Just hope that this stays so.

Quote from: ujjwaana on July 20, 2010, 06:58:19 PM
And don't tell me Vinay that  you can consider HK/E-bay parts very reliable. People have had incidents of blade flying off already!!

Have you read? There are many cases of parts flying off Align Trex Helis and also in many cases tail servo failing off on Align Helis? It all depends on HOW well you build and keep the heli with its RPM range. I can prove that at almost slightly more than half the price an HK Heli can fly better than the Align Heli.

the best thing about india LOL ....  you can get away with anything... bad part is any joker can put a full stop for our hobby forever as we see it.

Quote from: wasi on July 20, 2010, 05:53:01 PM
and when we talk of things going wrong, anything and everything in this world is dangerous...it depends on how we look at it...

This would be  partially true. The difference is in the people possibly at risk - in this case the audience - KNOWING that there is a - potential hazard. Bungee jumping, hang gliding etc. involve risk to the point of potential death. But the exposure is VOLUNTARY.

if we get in the nitigrities of anything being dangerous, we can go on and on and on...what i m only trying to say is please dont make a show out of it on public forums...these forums are accessable by masses and authorities wont take time noticing it...we in mumbai are already having hard time putting up wid the hobby...never seen such a downfall in the hobby in last 7 years of my flying in mumbai...as i see, the interest in the hobby has dropped to 50% in last 3 months...i m a regular flyer here...also, we have had hard time dealing with mumbai customs which is still in ruts...whoever did whatever, we certainly dont want the hobby to stop...infact we want to promote it...the way members are reacting to it, it will simply take us into more issues...and now if something has happened, please use it positively...

when we type "aamir flying rc heli" in google, rcindia if the first link that appears...and then all the comments follows...now what do we do abt this...??

Quote from: mail4ajo on July 20, 2010, 07:02:21 PM

What has happened wasnt the greatest show to do in a packed studio. Theres no point in crying over it.

no one is crying on anything...we all including u sir, are simply trying to safeguard a common interest "aeromodelling" that is so dear to all of us...with negative remarks, we will get in to more and more problems...

besides, if anything wud have happened, who thinks channel ppl wud have still shown it....?? and then it wud have been some distant news of some chopper falling on some political house etc etc which wud have been talked about and forgotten...good thing or a very good thing or a very very lucky thing is that this thing worked out....please use it positively guys...or atleast put ur views in a more diplomatic way which wont hurt the hobby directly..

Quote from: wasi on July 21, 2010, 10:42:21 AM
if we get in the nitigrities of anything being dangerous, we can go on and on and on...what i m only trying to say is please dont make a show out of it on public forums...these forums are accessable by masses and authorities wont take time noticing it...we in mumbai are already having hard time putting up wid the hobby...never seen such a downfall in the hobby in last 7 years of my flying in mumbai...as i see, the interest in the hobby has dropped to 50% in last 3 months...i m a regular flyer here...also, we have had hard time dealing with mumbai customs which is still in ruts...whoever did whatever, we certainly dont want the hobby to stop...infact we want to promote it...the way members are reacting to it, it will simply take us into more issues...and now if something has happened, please use it positively...

when we type "aamir flying rc heli" in google, rcindia if the first link that appears...and then all the comments follows...now what do we do abt this...??

Dear Anwar Sir If you are reading this kindly change the topic name to something appropriate like Heli flying on Indian TV Show.

What you have said is very true wasi sir and crazy pilot sir .Anything can be dangerous as you get into the nitty gritties of it. ;DIf proper care is taken(which would have been in this case)nothing will happen.

One sad thing though,all the news channels are speaking about amir khan.No mention of the heli or its real pilot .With that, our hobby would have had a bigger boost .

Quote from: vinay on July 20, 2010, 08:34:15 PM
Have you read? There are many cases of parts flying off Align Trex Helis and also in many cases tail servo failing off on Align Helis? It all depends on HOW well you build and keep the heli with its RPM range. I can prove that at almost slightly more than half the price an HK Heli can fly better than the Align Heli.

That is when people exceed rpms, or forget to loctite the feather shaft.  The HK helis have many problems even at rated rpms, starting with the poor quality of screws, milling etc.  I can say this categorically that you can NEVER get the current generation of HK helis to perform better than the Align originals.  I know, I tried.  There is a case of "you get what you pay for" at every step of the way.

What ever you are doing to "fix" the HK heli, put that same thing on an Align original, and FEEL the difference !

Quote from: CrazyPilot on July 21, 2010, 12:02:07 PM
Dear Anwar Sir If you are reading this kindly change the topic name to something appropriate like Heli flying on Indian TV Show.

While I see Wasi bhai's point, I am not sure if we should shy away from the truth on this.  These things can be dangerous (just like a car or motorcycle is, nothing more and nothing less), and regardless of who does it, it is setting a bad example.  You may be the greatest pilot in the world with the most carefully built and trimmed heli of highest quality, but you still made a bad example for others. 

Why did this person not set aside an area of the studio set to do this demo, if he had to use a good size heli ?  That is where clear judgement comes in.

My perspective on this is that whoever reads this thread will get the *positive* impression that the vast majority of people who are in this hobby take safety very seriously.  I don't see this thread as something negative on what this hobby is about, or about how it is conducted in India.  We are mature folks, and this thread is further proof of the same. 

And for the record, this hobby is generally extremely safe, unless people try to follow the example in that show.

The following feedback was sent to SET by Mr Vijendra Nagar, president of the AMAI, to Sony Entertainment Television.


In a recent episode of Indian Idol,on your television show,you have
shown the operation of an engine pwered model helicopter in a closed
space full of spectators.

This is considered highly dangerous,one because of the noxious fumes
from the engine exhaust and secondly the risk of malafunction which
can cause serious injury or even death to the hapless spectators.

Please visit our website http://www.amai.in, for safe procedures of model
aircraft/helicopter flying.

We suggest this is not repeated in future for the safety of your
spectators and a bad name to your TV channel.


Best Regards

Vijendra Nagar
President
Aero Modelers Association


A similar letter was sent to Hyundai also for their recent depiction of an RC plane in their ad in a manner that is not safety conscious.