Not that it really matters though.. as it was dead anyways.
indiarc.com

Minor server issues can happen to any site    Part of IT life !

This Account Has Been Suspended
Please contact the billing/support department as soon as possible.

Seems to be a billing/payment  problem  

Suspended for payment delay, suspended for spam mails, forgot to renew domain registration, server hacked, server frozen, power failure, network failure, ran out of space, etc, etc, etc....    all part of IT life 

"Due to Excessive Usage of Bandwidth and CPU on IndiaRC ISP, The forum is temporarily unavailable. Keep checking back to see it online. You can contact us here

Please visit our SPONSORS so we can get this forum back online"

Sound like a made up problem to promote their own store. And i do not like that will not buy from them.

The forum being an ISP ( Internet Service Provider) is also a first...

He is also logged on  forum

Welcome INDIARC as member of RCindia.org

Nope. Happens a lot with hosting. Everyone picks a plan with X amount of disk space and Y amount of traffic (there may be other "plan" restrictions like only Z number of email accounts etc).

The fact that there was a bandwidth overage means that many people are using the site I just wish they find RC India, if and when they want to get opinions of various products from multiple outlets, instead of being limited to only one shop.

And there is no "forum being ISP also" angle to this, what was meant is that the ISP that hosts IRC has taken action based on high usage.

There is an apt saying

"Bad news has travelled half way around the world before the Good News has a chance to put its pants on"

The IndiaRC ISP has asked us to upgrade the forum to a dedicated server because of excessive CPU and bandwidth usage on his network from the forum. Its one of the joys that is also painful in terms of cost.

Indiarc has been a expense I have borne out of my pockets for the last 8 years and hopefully will bear for another 8.  Thank you for your support  gauravag, rckatty.....

Anwar ,,,thanks for the support and conveying the effort involved in maintaining the forum. I mean it in a positive way. !

Sunil

Hear Hear! This is the TRUE SPIRIT! Welcome IndiaRC. 
I am happy that I was online while it happened.

Cheers!

Welcome Sunil    

I have been an IT person about 10x more years than I have been an RC enthusiast, so this is all routine happenings in our line of business. Hope it is resolved at the earliest.

Quote from: indiarc on December 22, 2009, 12:13:15 AM

Indiarc has been a expense I have borne out of my pockets for the last 8 years and hopefully will bear for another 8.  Thank you for your support  gauravag, rckatty.....

Also you should include people who have donate to the forum via paypal. Also we all say you are doing a good job, but not allowing people mention where some can or has bought some stuff locally has not help either to the forum. Yes i am too against spam message etc., Hope you take what i am saying in the right spirit.

Quote from: anwar on December 22, 2009, 12:09:16 AM
if and when they want to get opinions of various products from multiple outlets, instead of being limited to only one shop.

Very True, people in this world of internet understand this, a forum cannot be run for a particular site and this will eventually make people not buy from this shop.

Hope they will also change over time.

Quote from: indiarc on December 22, 2009, 12:13:15 AM

The IndiaRC ISP has asked us to upgrade the forum to a dedicated server because of excessive CPU and bandwidth usage on his network from the forum. Its one of the joys that is also painful in terms of cost.

A message stating the the server is being upgraded would sound and feel better then asking us to visit the sponsors so that it can get this forum back online

Hope that indiarc also changes for the good, nothing against anyone just giving my 2 cents.

 
And all who take pleasure at others pains!
Wow never new people could be so anti something which gave them hand holding support when there was nothing else to show them the light. And then came something (read competition,which was always better for both now as either both evolved or perished) and the very same people who sang praises for the guiding light  in initial years crossed over the fence and bad mouthed something which was the only place till now to even open your mouth in things aeromodeling.

And BTW katty I do not know if you have supported any forum or not, but those who have been given thier due credit.

Also customer service from Indian Hobbies has been excellent when compared to some of the online shops I have bought (and swore never to do business again).   
If you have been a regualr at either of the forums you would know which are the ones to avoid like plauge and trust me it is not Indian Hobbies         

Coming to the very first post on this thread. Post for post IRC has better coverage on various topics or new topics being added by user than same old posts being flogged or the admin posting starters (Anwar excuse me on that)   

Manish - I would have agreed with you whole-heartedly on many of your points, if you had just spoken your mind on the one issue that forced me to start this forum, which is the fact that information that is critical for people to buy RC stuff (especially for beginners) was blatantly being censored. Do you think that would prevent people from finding such information using other means, albeit with some effort (a plain Google search would be enough!).

Plus I totally disagree on the quality aspect, because you are comparing something that has been around for 8 years with something that came up 9 months ago.  There are currently a wider variety of folks there, and in case you have not noticed, they are shifting. And I noticed from day one, that for some people, variety means scratch building, while the world seems to have changed into ARFs and more flying than building. I mean no disrespect for scratch building, but equating that to aeromodelling as a whole is something I do not believe in. Just look at how many RC shops carry kits any more, as an indication.

As for me starting threads, I have made it abundantly clear that I do it for who visit this forum multiple times a day, by keeping this an active place. Why does it matter who starts a topic, as it is the topic alone that matters (and the vast majority of posts are RC specific, including about scratch builds) ?  What people conveniently forget is that a large majority of questions on any forum is from beginners who are looking for help with procurement, and such posts go blatantly unanswered. Even conveying information by PM is a no-no ?

I agree that people did not have much of a choice earlier, so they suffered the censorship.  Actually I blame it on the users (including you ) for not providing a more open alternative earlier.  I heard of many people who considered this, much before I started this forum.  Nobody actually took the initiative to implement it, and that should have been done years ago.

There is nothing wrong with saying something has room for improvement, or something is suffering due to its own policies.

I am thrilled that this forum allows you to criticize itself !  Today is one of the best days of my life 

Also, I take your post as an indication on what RC India needs to improve (although disagree with some of the points). 

Would you agree that the criticism posted here about IRC should be taken similarly, as feedback on what needs improvement (instead of looking at it as "disloyalty" alone) ?

BTW, I do not mean to discredit the service Sunil has done for the RC community.  I just do not agree with certain aspects of how it is done, or these aspects needed alternate venues.

Quote from: flyingboxcar on December 23, 2009, 10:26:03 AM

Coming to the very first post on this thread. Post for post IRC has better coverage on various topics or new topics being added by user than same old posts being flogged or the admin posting starters (Anwar excuse me on that)   

With due respect, I feel this is a more dynamic platform. Agreed that there still some experienced people on IRC who are not here, but i think over time we will have their presence here.
I open both forums several times a day, and most of the times i see new posts here, and on IRC the same old ones. sometimes it gets to 10-12 hours before a post is made there.
Though i have been in the hobby for many years, i have only recently been active on the forums. After getting my posts moderated and account removed I just couldnt live/breathe there (IRC). As such we have so many restraints with out hobby - lack of people, lack of flying fields, permissions, security etc etc.. why have one more threat on our head - the moderator.
I have nothing against Indian Hobbies too. I support them, and have ordered more than once with them, with excellent results. We should be glad that we have another LHS in India.

Quote from: flyingboxcar on December 23, 2009, 10:26:03 AM


Coming to the very first post on this thread. Post for post IRC has better coverage on various topics or new topics being added by user than same old posts being flogged or the admin posting starters (Anwar excuse me on that)  

Anwar ,
 just goes to Show that Capt is also getting used to freedom he himself knows he could never have done this on IRC   .

Just goes to show the difference   once again

Hey Guys,
Chill it out here. There is no need to start arguing here.

Manish is one of the oldest members on the IRC and now this forum and says it like it is. Infact is his very words he is very clear .... that if is experience is not positive he will not hesitate to highlight that too.  

Unlike Manish there are many who are supportive but do not feel they want to enter any altercations that tend to take place especially behind anonymous usernames. IRC promotes and stands behind the individual who has a phone number and an email clearly visible in their profile.... what can be more open than that.

Only other thing I hate to see members who are unhappy being the only one being most vocal about anything.
As far as promoting dealers is concerned they are no saints and just like Indian Hobbies does they can pay the cost to leverage the indiarc community to support a RC endevour. Dealers who want free publicity and self promotion only may be the ones who are most active here also.   Some disgruntled members  who have either not been able to ply their trade thru Indiarc.com or have taken offence to being asked to upgrade their profiles when they want to sell their items on IndiaRC trade sections or those who use the forums only when they want to sell their items. Well we have no time for them !

Anyway Kudos to the Capt. and many others who openly support Indiarc and the effort behind it with their time and contributions.

Anwar you are doing a good job and also appreciate your responses to many repetitive posts. Keep it up. I would love to see the same enthusiasm after 8 years of running your forum. It is then you will also see the people who are the gems of this hobby and the sparkles that turned out to be fake stones

Cheers
Sunil

PS : I don't want to keep posting here regarding just this topic   maybe accused of self promotion later ....lol

Dear Sunil -

Even if I agreed with your comments for arguments sake, there is one aspect which is being conveniently ignored by everyone.  When a beginner asks "where can I get this item", there is a silence if that item is not carried by Indian Hobbies. Even people who are not sellers or hobby shops do not respond (and that is everyone including the Captain, who usually speaks his mind), because of the policies. To me, that defines NOT "open".

This is what is totally unacceptable and this is why RC India exists (you are very welcome to differ )

So even if all we discussed in this forum all day long is "where to get X or Y item" (instead of how to make chuck gliders, or 3D helis), I would feel mission accomplished (even though we can be easily accused of being a total failure in the "post-by-post variety" sense  )

I do not mean to pick up an argument, I just request you to consider this aspect on the road ahead.

Let me know if I can assist you with your server setup, as I have spent quite a bit of time in the chilling cold of data-centers with thousands of servers in them !

And on keeping the customer experience with Indian Hobbies generally positive !

Quote from: anwar on December 23, 2009, 01:33:45 PM
Let me know if I can assist you with your server setup, as I have spent quite a bit of time in the chilling cold of data-centers with thousands of servers in them !

And on keeping the customer experience with Indian Hobbies generally positive !

Let you know on that ...till now I have let the isp do the needful but for this upgrade I am not able to takeout the time. Maybe this weekend or so I will look it up !

Quote from: indiarc on December 23, 2009, 01:13:10 PM
Manish is one of the oldest members on the IRC and now this forum and says it like it is. Infact is his very words he is very clear .... that if is experience is not positive he will not hesitate to highlight that too. 

This is one aspect about people I realized a long time ago. Given the opportunity, pretty much anyone will speak their mind and "say it like it is".  This forum is probably a significant testament to that (judging by how people respond!).  What matters is, is everyone given that chance, and are others willing to accept/tolerate that this is just a natural action.

Gaurav and others are also "saying it like it is".

Quote from: anwar on December 23, 2009, 01:33:45 PM
Dear Sunil -

Even if I agreed with your comments for arguments sake, there is one aspect which is being conveniently ignored by everyone.  When a beginner asks "where can I get this item", there is a silence if that item is not carried by Indian Hobbies. Even people who are not sellers or hobby shops do not respond (and that is everyone including the Captain, who usually speaks his mind), because of the policies. To me, that defines NOT "open".

This is what is totally unacceptable and this is why RC India exists (you are very welcome to differ )


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Totally agreed. When I started on RC, I had lot of questions and there was no one to guide me. So unless the online community supports, one cannot get off the ground. Yes, you can google and find out answers, but it always helps if someone were to validate your findings as well.....

BTW, I think we should stick to forum registered names while addressing. I have gone through the thread and could not find any post by 'Captain' or 'Manish'. So it means that either you folks are referring to some other post which i have no knowledge of or know each other personally. So one common reaction would be not to jump in to any discussion among friends, if you know what i mean..

Pankaj

Here is a post confirming that flyingboxcar is Captain Manish.

http://www.rcindia.org/radios-and-receivers/extract-of-a-govt-notification/msg4473/#msg4473

But finding it may not be easy, and I agree with you. I made a point to address Rajesh as "Rajesh/RotorZone", will try to do the same for "Captain/flyingboxcar".

And about helping beginners, that is why this forum was founded more than anything else.  Regardless of whatever others say about post quality (which I believe is only half true, if you have spent enough time on both forums) or who starts topics, this forum will always be focused at helping newcomers.  In doing so, we upset many LHS folks here, as we report the best places to find items, even it is abroad (but then we get accused of being the haven of disgruntled hobby stores owners who were kicked out of IRC  ).

Our intention is clear, that the individual users come first, no matter how much people criticize the commercial discussions here. And I am sworn to absolutely no allegiance to any seller.  The day that happens (impossible anyways in my case), this forum will be handed over to the community (which is what should have been done elsewhere too, as that is the only way to ensure that there are no conflicts of interest).  Do not worry about "loyalty" forcing people to not speak their minds here, for this is a truly "open" forum in that sense of the word.  Can't say if I will be logging in multiple times everyday 8 years from now, but if this forum exists that long (can't see why not!), its nature will be the same !

 

Way to go Anwar

QuoteEven people who are not sellers or hobby shops do not respond

Not quite true. One is allowed to communicate this via PM and I have done so on a few occasions. Public posting is what is frowned upon.

are you trying to conveying that beginners in aeromodeling are also beginners in web common sense and cannot search or read the whole archive of posts existing for 8 years or is it just the way to keep the post count tickin on a new forum.

Also what is weight of anonymous feedback and good or bad rating vs voice of individuals who have identity and respect in the community.

I don't know what the USP of this forum would be if Indiarc allowed sellers to start spamming new comers to buy from them under the pretext of help

But surely I dont want to start a flaming war here but I know some people who feel the need of having the last word will not let lie