@kamalsahai
Sir,
I see from your 200+ posts that you mostly ask questions.
But have not posted any of your own builds.

We would be happy to see what you have built so far...
Regards.

sorry sir for asking question again and again

soon i will give results

kp

All the best Kamal
Happy flying

Iyer sir👍😀 Let's give him a deadline😃

I don't think that would be fair. He might have his own problem and asking question isn't wrong right, he would gain more knowledge that would help him in his future.

thanks rcrcnitesh

my problem is that i have extensively interested in aeromodelling but in chandigarh there is no person institute to teach me  aeromodelling properly  that is why u all says that i always put question to fourum

kp

Asking questions is always encouraged here. You can post as many questions as you like. We will always try and answer them.

Not all people have the resources to build something straightaway. I hope one day you will.

Please don't be discouraged. Keep on asking questions. That's how we all learn! 

Hi Kamal, this forum is the greatest teacher! You won't find such a group of people with vast experience in aero modelling anywhere else in India! Believe me! And that is true! Even a totally ignorant person like me ( I am in a totally different field of work) could successfully fly a model after going through this forum means this is the best teacher you would ever get! Now I feel confident that I can fly any model I make! My suggestion would be 1. You make a model of your choice 2. Ask others the problems you face 3. Make sure you have done everything properly before your first flight. That's all you need! Wish you good luck!

You don't need any institution or school to learn Aero modeling. I learnt it myself (read crashed), many learnt it themselves all you need is a Sim and some patience.

Nitish, you fly models?

I did fly my ft flyer but it crashed no video, it was poorly built so that might be the reason for it's crash.
I am going to built another coro pusher plane which is going to be designed by me in my vacations after my 10th board.

BTW I was expecting a question like that from someone.

Somehow I felt like replying to this thread after reading few posts which make aeromodelling appear simple enough to be learnt from books and the Internet.

While the Internet is an enormous bible out there, it is not a substitute for a live teacher. Sadly, there are too many experts which make things appear far too easy than what they really are. Not that it is impossible to learn from books alone but one needs enormous perseverance, aptitude and passion to be able to achieve that without the help of any anybody. This statement can either rattle your ego or it can humble you down. You can either spend hundreds of hours trying to get things straight or learn from somebody in few hours, who has gone through all this.

Aeromodelling is an ART and not all are born artists. If someone wants to learn violin, would you say - "There is so much information and videos on the Internet. You can easily learn from it"? How many would be able to learn violin by reading books, forget mastering?

You can't expect someone to download a plan, buy stuff, sim and expect him to fly his creation. The problem is, people who have done this, haven't come across people who have not been able to do this. Hence they think anybody can do it And the fact is that only 1 in 100 may be able to do it.

People come with great interest in aeromodelling at my shop. They say they want to build something on their own. I ask them to buy a proven model first and learn to fly and then once they have learnt flying, slowly attempt building. However they wouldn't listen. They request plans for some intermediate models, build it shabbily, buy a sim and then crash it, never to return back. I'm not discouraging anybody but this is the fact.

They don't realize that build models is a very fine art which takes lots of practice and patience. Flying is relatively much much easier, if you select the right model and an experienced flier to help you. Recently I had been to Goa and one of my students was able to fly on his own in just 15 mins of buddy box training. When I tell this to my colleagues, they express utter disbelief. He now flies daily and is now slowly attempting to build a model himself. As he knows flying now, that chances of him crashing his newly built model will be significantly less and also, he'll know whether the model he built will fly or not as he already knows how a proven model will be.

My humble suggestion to anybody wanting to learn aeromodelling would be to get in touch with an experienced aeromodeller, spend a weekend with him and see if he is the right person to mentor you. If yes, then shut your ears and eyes to everything that is floating around and surrender completely to your mentor. Your success rate will be much much high this way.

I agree with Vishal. You shouldhave a passion for any hobby otherwise it will die out in no time. I started into this hobby when I was only 11years old. Now I am 64 years old but still love the hobby. Since I was pssionate about this hobby, I have revived it whenever I got the opportunity though with long long gaps inbetween. For years it was simple models (when we started there were no arfs, and there was only one store, India Hobby Centre with shops in metros only, where one could get kits. and no mail order service). There were no quick rewads but failure after failure, with only your passion to keep the interest. I have no count of the many chuck gliders, rubber powered models and more complex builds as the hobby progressed.
Have real passion for the hobby, only then will you see it through your life otherwise it will only be shortlived like other interests that people pick up during their lifes and forget them with time. I think every old timer would have collected postage stamps sometime but do they still have their collection!
Lession one. Be truly passionate about the hobby else forget it.
Though there is much info now on every subject on the internet, but you need to dirty your hands before you can taste success. Start with simple builds and learn as you progress.

There are many like kamalsahai i was also like him there wasnt anything RC i built in my first 500 posts i think.
Though i was flying rc toy helis from when i was 10. My second post was an attempt to help out people like me and that guide was followed even by me

In essence RC model building is simple maths,patience and some magic. Follow the guidelines and basics and you should be able to build models that fly nice in no time.  
You do not require a local mentor(the whole forum is one ) just a keen ear and a sense to understand the basic concepts. Passion comes automatically if its a hobby. No one forces people that they have to compulsorily be in this hobby.
So have fun learning, enjoy the simplest pieces of information you learn, take your time and ask as many questions as you like.Only before you do just search if those questions have already been answered because this forum is a teacher but not one that answers your questions a hundred times as a simple search will lead you to answers. All the best kamalsahai  

Bit off topic, nitish you have reached 1900 posts . You have become a forum senior junior 

I agree with RCNeil21.
BTW I didn't know that I am a forum senior despite being a junior!

Quote from: RCNeil21 on December 21, 2015, 02:14:17 PM
In essence RC model building is simple maths,patience and some magic.

I give up 

Wel, there are people who belong to both sides of this debate. In my honest opinion, yes you can learn rc building and flying through both ways with each process having its own pro and cons.

If you choose to go solo , the curve is pretty steep. You might build wrong and mostly crash things at first and need to have both patience and money to move ahead. On the other hand if you choose to learn from a mentor, there is someone who is looking out for mistakes made by you and can direct you in the right direction.

So it basically depends on the person as to which path he is comfortable with. I choose to go solo as I was not aware of RC India or any other aermodellers near me at that time. My first build was a 3D foamy Extra 330 which offcouse i crashed and rebuilt a million times. I managed to fly decently only after i built my second foamy (not a trainer either)

I agree with Vishal 100%

If you have lots of money, and time, you could go the other way, but trust me, your chances of success are significantly reduced. In fact, I estimate most of the people who drop the hobby have tried that route and gave up in frustration.

A Buddy Box is not essential, but the company of an experienced modeller sure helps

Yes Vishal, you are right; but I prefer to be on the other side (what RCNeil wrote.) If you have a mentor, well and good. But if you don't have one nearby? That was the starting point of this discussion. In my case, it was this forum who was my teacher, of course I followed the links to other groups where basic discussions and calculators were available, without which I was nowhere near perfection.

Quote from: vishalrao on December 21, 2015, 04:45:52 PM

Quote from: RCNeil21 on December 21, 2015, 02:14:17 PM
In essence RC model building is simple maths,patience and some magic.

I give up  

Vishal anna(hope anna is ok with you, one of my elder cousin brothers shares the same name and  that is what i call him ) What you are saying is right too it is an art but not all have to be artists in order to draw right. Once you can make a simple plane fly then you can go ahead and try your hand at the true art of making a model(scale,gliders etc) which requires a lot of skill and finesse.
Also this is not a hobby like photography where you can start off just by buying a camera and pressing a button(Not saying that photography is easy(it requires a lot more deep understanding for that one exquisite shot) just that its easy to start off in unlike RC). Here you have to learn basics and how everything works and is related to each other, progress is slow but rewards are big

Only a message for anna- Nama yer la upod akleg vante help manpod artist aare, akleg aait eet manpareg und panda akul budd de poper.

Without passion who would get into this hobby? I am surprised! In my opinion, RC flying is not an art, instead making good looking models is an art. To fly a model, you need science , some maths and of course common sense! I don't know whether I can comment like this, because the only thing I do know is to fly models( practical) ,but no theory😁😝

All I can suggest to Kamal, to whose enthusiasm    is that don't get discouraged! It would be a wise move, in case you cannot get an experienced modeller to check your scratch or kit built models, to start with a ARF type model like the Sky Surfer/Easystar etc. A rank beginner might not be able to build truly, nor trim correctly, despite having loads of SIM experience, and having read all forums from top to bottom. A bit of wing warp, wrong thrust line, too high or too low throws - these are common mistakes, which often can have disastrous results!

I would advise any budding modeller the same too.

I have seen on this forum people scratch building their own designs without knowing what CoG is, how to measure it, where it should be located.

Yes that is the perfect advice! If you could explain each rc tech word you wrote, you become the best eteacher! 😃 for a beginner .👍

Have you tried a search on the forum for these "RC Tech Words?"

Or do you want everything laid out on a silver platter?

That was a loose talk Sanjay sir! Never meant to be taken seriously😊