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Started by asinghatiya, June 02, 2011, 12:09:57 PM

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asinghatiya

Earth is rotating at constant speed, and everything on it, including me, move along with earth at the same speed.
Suppose, I 'jump' from the ground, then the PHYSICAL CONTACT between me and the earth vanishes....... so in such a case, I should not be carried away along with the earth's speed in its direction in the few seconds of time while I am 'flying' in air. So, the ground below my feet should move ahead of me in its speed!!!!

Why it didn't happen?? :banghead: Never got a convincing answer, I look forward for my learned friends to throw some light on it.
:-)

ashutoshn

The answer lies in your statement itself. "  Earth is rotating at constant speed, and everything on it, including me, move along with earth at the same speed."

When you jump in the air for a few seconds you also have the same speed as that of the earth. So the relative speeds between you and earth both cancel out and hence you land at the same place.

Another example:
Imagine you are in a commercial airplane and travelling mid air. You thro a ball in the air. Does the ball land at your seat or a few seats behind? :) It lands at your seat itself because the ball also has the same relative sped as that of the plane and yourself.

Snehal.Samar

ah!  where is my torch






joking....
Just imagine u in a heli hovering in in a same position above 10 mtrs and at still place for ur answers
jumping for 2-3 seconds will not help .Jump for at least 2 hours to see the difference.
be a superman.
Snehal Samar

asinghatiya

Exactly, so hovering in Heli will help me??? >:D.... say for 2 hours at same place ? will earth slip below me ???
:-)

Snehal.Samar

Definitely it will .practically set a point on earth and then hover....the position will be changed
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ujjwaana

This is due to Newton's first law of motion stating 'A body in motion remains in motion unless external force acts on it and brings it to rest'.

You were rotating with earth at 1674.4 km/h and so was air around you. When you jump, the amount of retardation force excreted on you by the surrounding air is so less that you continue to rotate with the earth with (almost) same speed. Adding to it, the Earth's gravitational force (towards the center) also keeps you 'Attached' to its own rotational speed

You can draw an parallel by sitting in a car/bus whose all windows are closed and is travelling at 100km/hr. Now bounce a ball from your hand. Does the ball hit your chest at 100KM/hr ? No because the Ball remains to travel with the car at 100/Km Hr. But if you suddenly break, things changes ?

If you you still don't understand it, give me the number of your Physics teacher!
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praveen

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Quote from: ujjwaana on June 02, 2011, 12:31:04 PM
If you you still don't understand it, give me the number of your Physics teacher!
:giggle: :giggle: :giggle:
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asinghatiya

 :giggle: :bow:.......My Physics teacher went insane long back.........with my questions.... :-\...

Any ways wot you said is right and great

wot if I start dragging myself in the opposite direction of earth's rotation  :headscratch:...so I guess it will be impossible for me to move  :headscratch:....

Forgot Jumping.......now I am in a Heli hovering above the surface!!!!!! now please answer!!!!
:-)

VC

Do a Google on the Foucault Pendulum and read up..................
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Snehal.Samar

Ur questions are really...............:)

size of human is nothing when compared to earth .

demo
imagine u or me whatever u like;)  (my height is size of radius of earth or simply moon gaint) and i am running on earth .So i will have to struggle against its motion but it is not applicable for a normal human being.

dat was a nice punch ujwanna sir  :giggle:
Snehal Samar

asinghatiya

#10
VC sir I am reading.......

@Snehal: Lets build a huge, reallly huge vassel which can fly ( i know noting can compare earth's size) but much much bigger than human.....will it be possible to move without moving and by just lifting it above the earth's surface!!??

If it will happen it will solve lot of transport problems  :giggle:....
:-)

Snehal.Samar

I was unable to understand.move what and without moving what??  and are u lifting that vessel or its flying with its own energy  like a heli or plane.
Snehal Samar

asinghatiya

 :salute: If you could drop a golf ball from the empire state building with no wind it would land nearly 5 inch of the true vertical due to rotation of the Earth. thank you VC sir

See this http://www.calacademy.org/products/pendulum/page12.htm

Yeah so it prove that earth moves ahead when u are in air  :bow: :bow:

AM i right ?
:-)

Snehal.Samar

I am learning to from these ...the website you posted is nice one thanks.

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At present which is the highest building of India?
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anwar

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asinghatiya

Thanks Anwar Bhai.

It's a question haunting me from Childhood (I am sure to many others also ) and if we have an answer for it....what's the best use of this knowledge we can make ?

But still I am searching for a most convincing answer :bow:.........
:-)

izmile

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Quote from: asinghatiya on June 02, 2011, 12:09:57 PM
Earth is rotating at constant speed, and everything on it, including me, move along with earth at the same speed.
Suppose, I 'jump' from the ground, then the PHYSICAL CONTACT between me and the earth vanishes....... so in such a case, I should not be carried away along with the earth's speed in its direction in the few seconds of time while I am 'flying' in air. So, the ground below my feet should move ahead of me in its speed!!!!

Why it didn't happen?? :banghead: Never got a convincing answer, I look forward for my learned friends to throw some light on it.

There is something called GRAVITY discovered by a gentleman named Newton years ago. No matter how high you are... as long as you are within the influence of gravity you will be pulled along with it. Its like an invisible metal rod glued between you and the center of the earth. If you want to move you have to do work (kind of ) against gravity.. thatz where the propeller helps.

OTOH, if you really want to move by just jumping high.. you have to jump high enough so that you move away from the influence of gravity. Thats where the satillites orbit the earth. You may probably need some super charged rocket shoes and other gear for this. ;D ;D... remember geostationary satillites are also moving along with the earth speed of rotation and they do have thrusters to do the job... However, high up there at inter-stelar space you don't need much of a thrust as air-friction/drag is not there.

On a similar note, imagine what you happen if the earth suddenly stops rotation... Should we all be thrown out of the surface??.. Or what would happen if the sun suddenly disappers??.. these are some interesting questions and they do have confliciting answers between Newtonian physics and Quantum physics.

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kartikmadhira

Does anybody know why the earth rotates and the involvement of Law Of conservation of angular momentum?Further can anybody explain why tides or waves occur?

flyingboxcar

For @ post 1.
Looks like you never paid attention in your physics class while at School ;D
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Snehal.Samar

@flyingboxcar  ;D .

@kartik
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=139986
http://in.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070722214828AAfgb6j

Our earth rotation speed was not that high as it is now it was hit hard by a celestial object which resulted in more rotational speed .(Saw in discovery)
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asinghatiya

 :headscratch: is it a viable (financially) project to create a vassel which lift itself (like a Heli) at a place and wait there till earth rotate and when his desired location reached it land there  ;D....

I have understood the gravity and other stuff but still this question is unanswered :banghead:
:-)

izmile

Quote from: asinghatiya on June 02, 2011, 02:30:32 PM
:headscratch: is it a viable (financially) project to create a vassel which lift itself (like a Heli) at a place and wait there till earth rotate and when his desired location reached it land there  ;D....

I have understood the gravity and other stuff but still this question is unanswered :banghead:

:headscratch: :headscratch:... Which part of it do you have problem with? I think you have some other element in you question that is bothering you.. Let us know your complete thoughts.

Further, even if you create a large or small vessel you cannot do what you wanted with gravity.

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kartikmadhira

snehal50samarpit-man i know the cause.....just wanted u people to be aware of it.its really very interesting to see such topics.I watch NatGEO HD and Diccovery HD.just love them!MEgastructures, amazing photos and yes i used to watch i didnt know that berfore..but dont see much of it now.and on dicovery and discovery HD there are really great documentaries.Man if u have full HD TV and HD transmission. do buy it.Purely recommended by me!Im damn sure u would stop watching all other channels!further if u want to really see some good stuff, see Ancient Aliens by NG.search Ancient ALiens on google and get it!

Snehal.Samar

Their is one called airship (lighter than air vehicle ) amazing. Run on hydrogen or helium.
Only drawback for those is time.

But ur question is good.I am too confused that what is the need of aeroplanes when we can travel anywhere on earth within 24 hrs.
Maybe the wind is villain.

guys are we going to invent something? ;D
Snehal Samar