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RC Models => Electric Planes => Topic started by: ajith on May 01, 2011, 03:37:34 PM

Title: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: ajith on May 01, 2011, 03:37:34 PM
i have  started  building body for my  First  plane .....   Blu Baby 33"
   i  have chosen some  electric gear  and  want  seniors  to correct me ....    If  it's wrong choice !!

Motor :  (image below)

Li-po :   1800mAh  20c  11.1 v

ESC :   30 A- 3v (BEC)  mystery ESC

Transmitter : (image below)

charger : TURNIGY ACCUCEL-6 50W 6A BALANCER/CHARGER

servo's : 9g/1.6 kg  Micro servo.



Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: ajith on May 01, 2011, 03:55:11 PM
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Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: ajith on May 01, 2011, 08:32:31 PM
All   seniors  need  your  help .....

which glue can i use ??   in the form  it's  said  fevibond  and  araldite  can be used ..........
but   foam  is  melting  a bit  for   fevi-bond !!!     what  to use  now  ??
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: buzz_rc on May 01, 2011, 08:49:57 PM
Fevi-bond should not be used on foam, it will simply eat through it... use fevicol or araldite 5 min epoxy...always check on a scrap piece of foam first.
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: Vector on May 01, 2011, 09:27:03 PM
 ajith..
would like to say that the motor you are using is an overkill for that plane, dnt need somuch power for a sober flying plane like the BB. cycle spokes deform/bend every time you land, so if possible, use 'spirng steel' wire instead. Its quite durable, 3mm should be good enough.  Also as mentioned here, use araldite KLEAR or Bondtite as epoxy glue for foamies.

do post your progress..
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: buzz_rc on May 01, 2011, 09:29:24 PM
The build pics have been taken from the original RCG thread. I think he means to say that this (the attached picture) is what his plane looks like.. :)
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: Vector on May 01, 2011, 09:32:25 PM
naughty boy..
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: rajathv8 on May 01, 2011, 09:33:40 PM
Ajith you can use hot glue. It adds weight but will not be very significant if you learn hot to use it properly. Fevicol works well too but takes time to set.
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: ashJR7202 on May 02, 2011, 12:38:54 AM
i think 2822 motor is good enough for this model, u dont need so much thrust!!!! as Amar said it will overkill!!!!!!

all the best!!!
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: Rao on May 02, 2011, 01:45:53 AM
Foam Safe CA would be the best choice of glue for fast building. If you don't mind waiting for the glue to cure you may also use Fevicol  wood glue.
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: Samanth on May 02, 2011, 08:55:42 AM
CA would work well, but I normally use a thin layer of 5-min Epoxy(araldite). Using too much of epoxy would make your plane heavy.
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: bokilap on May 02, 2011, 10:04:43 AM
About the motor,

I have used hextronik 24gm 1300kv motor, works well for 33 blubaby.

About the adhesives,

I have used,
Araldite Klear, Bondtite and Decoration glue. All good for foams.

About Monobloc,

Make sure you make groves for motor wire and wires that run from ESC to the battery.

About wing,

Make sure your wing is 4-40 Undercambered. 4% camber at 40% on the wing. Use a little heat while bending depron otherwise it will crack. Make a nice dihedral and dont forget to re-inforce the wings.

Hope this helps!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: SunLikeStar on May 02, 2011, 10:10:17 AM
Ajith you should seriously start building now, its been a while. And whats the point in posting someone else's five years old build pics :-\
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7407267&postcount=24
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: ajith on May 02, 2011, 11:14:15 PM
Thank you
Buzz-rc ; Vector ; Ashjr7202 ; samanth ; Bokialap ; Roa  and  Sunlikestar.

i  am  using  Araldite  glue....

i was  building  my plane  at my  friends  house .....   (as it's  near  to my college..)     so  couldn't  post  Original  Pic  { since  posted  similar  pic}


What  do  you Mean  By  " THE  MOTOR  YOU  ARE  USING  IS  AN   OVER KILL FOR  THAT  PLANE "  

I thought  of  using  this  motor  for    other  Heavy  Planes ... i am planning  to build  a  MIG 21  (large one)   
so..  what  actually  will  be  the  problem  for  this  one ??     

I  am  thinking  of  flying  on  a  low  Throttle  =  Enough power  for  this  plane !!


will   i  have  any  serious (Un-solvable) problem in flying  with  this  motor  and  plane  PAIR  ??


what  i made   looks  like  this ..

Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: spitfire on May 03, 2011, 12:35:46 AM
Quote from: ajith on May 02, 2011, 11:14:15 PM

What  do  you Mean  By  " THE  MOTOR  YOU  ARE  USING  IS  AN   OVER KILL FOR  THAT  PLANE " 

He wants to say that motor will provide much more power than required.

Quote

I thought  of  using  this  motor  for  a  other  Heavy  Plane ...     so..  what  actually  will  be  the  problem  for  this  one ??

How much heavy plane do you want to build?
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: ajith on May 03, 2011, 09:05:33 PM
so  will  i  have  any  Un-solvable   problem ??  :banghead:
 I am  thinking  of   flying  at  a  low  throttle   enabling  lesser  power  out put ....  For  this  plane ......   :-\

can  i do  that ...... ??

Another  Problem ::   :o

i  am  trying  to build  a cambered wing   SHOWN  BELOW.   (:|~                       the  wing design  with  the  plan  IS  DIFFERENT  
          If  i follow  the  one  not  from  the  plan  then   how  shall  i  fix  it ??    Fuselage  has  a  curve-slot   for  the  wing      :headscratch:


What  shall  i do ??     shall  i  Cut   the  fuselage  accordingly  to  fit  the  new  designed  wing  to fit properly and  give a good  smooth aerodynamic  shape ??

Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: ajith on May 05, 2011, 03:40:56 PM
shall  i  make  the  wing  as in  1st  image  above   
or       
simply  follow  the  plan??

What shall  i Do ??

How to join rudder  to the plane ?? 
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: SunLikeStar on May 05, 2011, 03:47:23 PM
If this is your first plane then stick to the plan.
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: rcpilotacro on May 05, 2011, 04:23:30 PM
+1
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: ajith on May 05, 2011, 04:35:00 PM
Quote from: ajith on May 02, 2011, 11:14:15 PM
will   i  have  any  serious (Un-solvable) problem in flying  with  this  motor  and  plane  PAIR  ??

so  what  actually  will be  the  problem ??

waiting  for  answers   To  continue  building  my plane ... 

Fixed  to  Follow  The  plan ......    Seniors  advice             Thank You     Sunlikestar  and   augustinev   sir.
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: anwar on May 05, 2011, 04:51:42 PM
Well, if you go by common sense / thumb rules, too big a power plant will increase the AUW of the plane.  It is not only the weight of the motor, it could also be the added weight of a bigger battery that you may need. 

The second aspect is changes in CG, which can be fatal to the plane if you are not careful about this.

Not sure which of these will affect your particular situation (if at all!), but that is the general thought process on putting oversized power systems on planes.
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: ajith on May 05, 2011, 05:20:16 PM
anwar  sir,

motor weight : 55 gm  ;  204 W ; 18A ; 1270 Kv .

Li-po weight : 153 gm ; 1800mAh ; 20c .

ESC : 25 gm ; 30A .

will   balancing  the plane  properly  Solve  most  of  my  problems ??  
most  of  the  motors  come  in  a 35-55 gm  range ....   so is  this  acceptable ??

Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: ajith on May 06, 2011, 05:26:19 PM
now what  to  change ??   What will happen  if  i  have  Excess  of  thrust ??
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: saikat on May 06, 2011, 05:55:42 PM
Quote from: ajith on May 06, 2011, 05:26:19 PM

now what  to  change ??  What will happen  if  i  have  Excess  of  thrust ??


You will have a feeling of "EUPHORIA........."
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: SunLikeStar on May 06, 2011, 06:00:14 PM
 ;D :giggle: i am really missing a LOL smiley right now :giggle:
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: anwar on May 06, 2011, 06:14:21 PM
Take it easy folks... he is a concerned beginner :)

To answer your question Ajith, just be mindful about balancing the CG properly, and test it out.  Remember to keep the weight of the plane low when you build it.
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: rcpilotacro on May 06, 2011, 06:21:27 PM
Ajith, motor mount is another issue, over powered motor can really tear up the mount,  believe me i have done this mistake and i am telling you, it is always better to but some underpowered setup initially take her up fly around for some flights and take it from there, in fact running up full throttle on ground etc is a big no no. i hope you are getting what i mean, take baby steps with motor and power system as well as throws
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: foamybuilder on May 06, 2011, 06:36:28 PM
@Ajith: your setup looks fine. for a beginner over thrust may result in plane getting in a loop and inverted. If some flier is around, you can take his help when you maiden it.

@guys: he is doing his plane with his pocket money. lets help him
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: anwar on May 06, 2011, 06:45:07 PM
And the most important tip... most people get dejected when their plane crashes in the first few seconds of their first ever flight. To avoid that, please do :

1.  Train yourself on a sim if possible, and.or let the maiden be done by someone else who is an experienced pilot to test and trim the plane.

2.  Check if the plane has bad tendencies by doing glide tests into tall grass. 
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: ashutoshn on May 06, 2011, 08:01:42 PM
@folks: will it be good idea for ajith to do a elevator uptrim when he maidens his plane or keep the trims leveled out before flight.
Title: Re: Plane - Assembling.
Post by: Vector on May 06, 2011, 08:08:26 PM
we dont know how the plane will behave, so keeping the trims neutral is a good idea before maiden.