Unable to choose a motor , prop combination. please help

Started by Surjit singh deo, January 27, 2020, 07:52:16 PM

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Surjit singh deo

About looking at sanjay sir models , i choose a ft mighty mini plan and build it using sunboard, the total weight is 382gms.
As recommended i have a tattu 3s 850mah 75c battery.
Could anyone suggest a motor and prop combo for this plane.

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sanjayrai55

Quote from: Surjit singh deo on January 27, 2020, 07:52:16 PM
the total weight is 382gms.
As recommended i have a tattu 3s 850mah 75c battery.


Who recommends that battery? What is it's weight?

You should be looking to match these specs:

FT MINI SPEEDSTER
Weight (w/o battery): 4.05 oz (115g)

Center of Gravity: 1.25 - 1.5 inches (44 mm) from leading edge of wing

Control Surface Throws: 16° deflection (elevator/rudder) Expo 25%

Wingspan: 20.75 inches (527 mm)

Recommended Motor: 2480 kv 250 size motor

Recommended Prop: 5 x 3 prop minimum

Recommended ESC: 6 amp minimum

Recommended Battery: 300 - 800 mAH 2s minimum

Recommended Servos: (2) 5 gram servos

FT MINI SCOUT
Weight (w/o battery): 4.05 oz (115g)

Center of Gravity: 2 inches (50 mm) from leading edge of wing

Control Surface Throws: 16° deflection (elevator/rudder) Expo 25%

Wingspan: 24 inches (609 mm)

Recommended Motor: 2480 kv 250 size motor

Recommended Prop: 5 x 3 prop minimum

Recommended ESC: 6 amp minimum

Recommended Battery: 300 - 800 mAH 2s minimum

Recommended Servos: (2) 5 gram servos

sanjayrai55

Unless you are building another model in the FT Mighty Mini series. Please specify

Surjit singh deo

Sir it is ft mighty mini arrow so according to the design this battery was a snug fit.

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sanjayrai55

FT MIGHTY MINI ARROW SPECS
Weight without battery: 6 oz (170 g)
Center of Gravity: 1.75 inches (44 mm) in front of rear firewall
Control Surface Throws: 12 ˚ deflection (elevator/aileron/rudder) Expo 30%
Wingspan: 29 inches (736 mm)
Recommended Motor: 2300 kv 2204 size motor
Recommended Prop: 6 x 4.5 prop
Recommended ESC: 12 amp minimum
Recommended battery: 800 mAH 2s or 3s
Recommended Servos: (2) 5 gram servos


1. Your model is very overweight!
2. Motor/Prop/ESC  specs given
3. A 2S battery weighs 30% less than the same 3S battery! Also, a 75C battery is much heavier than a 20C battery, which, for 12 A max load is all you need (800 mAh)

Surjit singh deo

Yes sir it is overweight. I have already ordered a 2204 2300kv motor, with a 5 inch prop. I would consider the battery for later on. Thanks sir . Would update you on it.

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sanjayrai55

Good luck  :thumbsup:

Do try to reduce the weight if you can. These FT models are very weight sensitive

K K Iyer


DubiousPilot

Quote3. A 2S battery weighs 30% less than the same 3S battery! Also, a 75C battery is much heavier than a 20C battery, which, for 12 A max load is all you need (800 mAh)


His model weighs 80% more than the original design (both without battery). He will need much more thrust to fly. I don't see how replacing a 3s for 2s battery will help, won't it provide lesser thrust which is more important here than the marginal weight reduction (~25 grams)?  I think he definitely needs a bigger motor if he wants it to fly at all. The mini arrow is a racing wing, I can only imagine what a much heavier, faster version of it will fly like. ;D

Just a hunch. Please feel free to correct me.

sanjayrai55

Quote from: DubiousPilot on January 29, 2020, 10:06:20 AM
Quote3. A 2S battery weighs 30% less than the same 3S battery! Also, a 75C battery is much heavier than a 20C battery, which, for 12 A max load is all you need (800 mAh)


His model weighs 80% more than the original design (both without battery). He will need much more thrust to fly. I don't see how replacing a 3s for 2s battery will help, won't it provide lesser thrust which is more important here than the marginal weight reduction (~25 grams)?  I think he definitely needs a bigger motor if he wants it to fly at all. The mini arrow is a racing wing, I can only imagine what a much heavier, faster version of it will fly like. ;D

Just a hunch. Please feel free to correct me.

I did not specifically advocate the use of a 2S, just pointed out the weight overshot already

No point in increasing thrust without reducing weight; this model at this weight with a larger motor is going to need a real expert to fly

Surjit singh deo

Quote from: DubiousPilot on January 29, 2020, 10:06:20 AM
Quote3. A 2S battery weighs 30% less than the same 3S battery! Also, a 75C battery is much heavier than a 20C battery, which, for 12 A max load is all you need (800 mAh)


His model weighs 80% more than the original design (both without battery). He will need much more thrust to fly. I don't see how replacing a 3s for 2s battery will help, won't it provide lesser thrust which is more important here than the marginal weight reduction (~25 grams)?  I think he definitely needs a bigger motor if he wants it to fly at all. The mini arrow is a racing wing, I can only imagine what a much heavier, faster version of it will fly like. ;D

Just a hunch. Please feel free to correct me.
Sir bigger motor in which sense? Are you saying higher kv motor?

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Surjit singh deo

Quote from: sanjayrai55 on January 29, 2020, 10:34:40 AM
Quote from: DubiousPilot on January 29, 2020, 10:06:20 AM
Quote3. A 2S battery weighs 30% less than the same 3S battery! Also, a 75C battery is much heavier than a 20C battery, which, for 12 A max load is all you need (800 mAh)


His model weighs 80% more than the original design (both without battery). He will need much more thrust to fly. I don't see how replacing a 3s for 2s battery will help, won't it provide lesser thrust which is more important here than the marginal weight reduction (~25 grams)?  I think he definitely needs a bigger motor if he wants it to fly at all. The mini arrow is a racing wing, I can only imagine what a much heavier, faster version of it will fly like. ;D

Just a hunch. Please feel free to correct me.

I did not specifically advocate the use of a 2S, just pointed out the weight overshot already

No point in increasing thrust without reducing weight; this model at this weight with a larger motor is going to need a real expert to fly
Sir I'm a newbie and this is my first build.

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Surjit singh deo

Quote from: sanjayrai55 on January 28, 2020, 06:40:05 PM
Good luck  :thumbsup:

Do try to reduce the weight if you can. These FT models are very weight sensitive
Sir could you suggest some of your model build as beginner model. FT plans were appealing so i choose it.

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sanjayrai55

Quote from: Surjit singh deo on January 29, 2020, 11:43:10 PM
Sir could you suggest some of your model build as beginner model. FT plans were appealing so i choose it.

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Depends on what electronics and raw materials you have available

Surjit singh deo

Quote from: sanjayrai55 on January 30, 2020, 05:47:57 PM
Quote from: Surjit singh deo on January 29, 2020, 11:43:10 PM
Sir could you suggest some of your model build as beginner model. FT plans were appealing so i choose it.

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Depends on what electronics and raw materials you have available
Well materials can be arranged sir, and looking at your build posts, i think you can make anything fly sir. So i also want to be like you. For now sunpack(corosheet) and sunboard and depron(6mm) is all i have sir. Electronics and all can be arranged.

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sanjayrai55

There are plenty of Avispad builds on this forum

Have a look

pnkyjs

The Newbie Might as well go through the RCIndia Gems on plane building rather, would help him to keep from shooting arrows in the dark. 
V911
V977
XFX 450 V2
Scratchbuild foamies galore

K K Iyer


Surjit singh deo

Quote from: K K Iyer on February 03, 2020, 09:26:27 PM
You could look at
1. Vortex-rc.com
2. Kinetichobbies.com
Regards
Thanks Iyer sir would look into it and start building soon

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Surjit singh deo

Quote from: pnkyjs on February 03, 2020, 08:42:08 PM
The Newbie Might as well go through the RCIndia Gems on plane building rather, would help him to keep from shooting arrows in the dark. 
Thanks pnkyjs , would definitely check on them and do things right.

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Surjit singh deo

Quote from: sanjayrai55 on February 01, 2020, 12:14:23 PM
There are plenty of Avispad builds on this forum

Have a look
Thank you sanjay sir , would look into the avispad builds and if possible build one of them.

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THE RC GUY


RC_ADDICTED

Ft mini Corsair is one of the good plane for intermediate level flyer's. If you are new so dont go directly on corsair. Even if you are new to this and friendly with controlling high speed and your reflexes are developed to take judgement at high speeds then You can surely go for corsair.

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THE RC GUY

can you share the specs of corsair as sir has done in the beginning of the thread,i need a slow flyer so corsair is not the one that i will choose most probably