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Started by rohan123, September 11, 2014, 10:11:30 PM

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rohan123

hello everyone, i need to choose a prop for my dys 1400kv brushless motors(specs are below) ,i have a 10X4.5 can i use it??
specs of the motor:
KV: 1400
Configuration: NP
Stator Diameter: 22mm
Stator Length: 8mm
Shaft Diameter: 3.17mm
Motor Dimensions(Dia.*Len): Φ28×26mm
Weight: 44g
No.of Cells(Lipo): 2-4S
Max Continuous current: 26A
Max Continuous Power: 384W
Internal resistance: 0.106Ω

sanjayrai55

You would be stretching that motor too far on that prop. Go for a 7*4.5, 8*5, or maximum 9*47 SF - the last will draw nearly 30 A

madaquif

hey rohan.....which battery do you plan to use?

2 3 or a 4 cell ???
Regards

MadAquif...

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rohan123

im using a 2200 mah 3s 25C 11.1v lipo...

sanjayrai55


K K Iyer

@rohan123,
DYS site does not show any 2826 motor of 1400kv, of 44gms and 384 watts.
http://www.dys.hk/ProductShow.asp?ID=30
Their 2826-10, 1400kv (as well as the motor mentioned by Rai saheb) are rated for 205 watts
The pamphlet that came with the Turnigy 2826-10/1400 specifies 7x4 for 3s and 9x4.7 for 2s

Perhaps you may need to verify the motor specs again.
Maybe it is not DYS or Turnigy at all, or maybe it is a different size!

sanjayrai55

Iyer sir, it's obviously at 4S. 384 watts, @ 26 Amps => 14.8 V

docnayeem

384 watts!  Rai sir aren't we expecting too much from this motor...?

docnayeem

If we go by numbers... 
A 10*4 prop with a voltage of 14.8 (4 cell)  and spinning at 1400 kv would require a motor of 1300 odd watts...

sanjayrai55

Quote from: docnayeem on September 12, 2014, 05:30:24 PM
384 watts!  Rai sir aren't we expecting too much from this motor...?

Those are not my figures Doc!

IMHO this motor is good for 200 W. Period.

Unless it's a Hacker, Scorpion, AXI; this is just a case of some Chinese manufacturer showing off his size :D

sanjayrai55

Quote from: docnayeem on September 12, 2014, 05:39:39 PM
If we go by numbers... 
A 10*4 prop with a voltage of 14.8 (4 cell)  and spinning at 1400 kv would require a motor of 1300 odd watts...

How?

K K Iyer

Quote from: sanjayrai55 on September 12, 2014, 05:24:00 PM
Iyer sir, it's obviously at 4S. 384 watts, @ 26 Amps => 14.8 V
@sanjayrai55 sir,
Oops, i missed that!
Surely one would expect DYS and/or Turnigy to publicise 384 watts instead of 205.

@rohan123
Could you post pics of the motor and the spec sheet please?

docnayeem

Sanjay sir... I use a webcalc routinely
http://adamone.rchomepage.com/calc_thrust.htm
Please have a look

sanjayrai55

I don't agree with it. Reality is something else.

As you know, I do my own testing. I have run a 2826-1400 with a 10*4.5 at 3S, goes to about 24 A.

At 4S will go to about 30 A.

What actually happens is as the motor capacity is reached, the RPM drops. So V drops, the wattage peaks out. If you continue running, it burns out  >:D

rohan123

Photos of my motor... It says BE2208-1400Kv on it

sanjayrai55


Item No.   NO LOAD   ON LOAD   LOAD TYPE
BE2208-13
(1400KV)   VOLTAGE   CURRENT   SPEED   CURRENT   Pull   Power   Battery/prop
V   A   rpm   A   g   W
7.4   0.4   7970   3.4   170   25.2    LiPoх2/6x5E
9.6   340   71.0    LiPoх2/7x5E
10.3   430   76.2    LiPoх2/8x4E
12.1   530   89.5    LiPoх2/9x6E
11.1   0.5   11930   6.3   380   69.9    LiPoх3/6x5E
16.1   580   178.7    LiPoх3/7x5E
17.1   730   189.8    LiPoх3/8x4E
19   835   210.9    LiPoх3/9x6E
14.8   0.5   15880   9.8   640   145.0    LiPoх4/6x5E
22.1   780   327.1    LiPoх4/7x5E
23.5   960   347.8    LiPoх4/8x4E
26   1060   384.8    LiPoх4/9x6E

sanjayrai55

I think this clears up all. The manufacturers propchart, which should have been posted in the very first place

rohan123

Sorry sir, i was unable to find this data and the seller suggested 10x4.5 props so i bought them,and now im worried i can damage the motors so help me pleasenn

sanjayrai55

What do you want to use it on? Give details

docnayeem

Can't get that table right :( it's all smudged up

sanjayrai55

Search DYS 2208 1400 KV on google

docnayeem

Quote from: sanjayrai55 on September 12, 2014, 06:32:46 PM
I don't agree with it. Reality is something else.

As you know, I do my own testing. I have run a 2826-1400 with a 10*4.5 at 3S, goes to about 24 A.

At 4S will go to about 30 A.

What actually happens is as the motor capacity is reached, the RPM drops. So V drops, the wattage peaks out. If you continue running, it burns out  >:D
Sir actually when you shift from 3 cell to 4 cell the current drawn drops and does not increase...  If motor and prop setup is the same....

sanjayrai55

Rohan- the props will work on a 2S with no problem. On a 3S they should be OK, but you should check with a wattmeter

sanjayrai55

Doc Nayeem: Have you tried this with measurement?

docnayeem

Quote from: sanjayrai55 on September 12, 2014, 07:14:34 PM
Doc Nayeem: Have you tried this with measurement?
Sir logically
I (current) * V(voltage) = W(Power)
So when power consumed is the same (w)  is constant in both the cases... If V increases.. 'I' has to decrease..