I have just confirmed the above orders to the retailer. What are you interested in? Tell me the specific models. Thanks.

Quote from: VC on August 24, 2010, 01:25:33 PM
Ujjwaana        : B4 X 1 - Payment received
Maharana       : B2 X 1, Electric winder X 1, F1 X 1 -  Payment received
Vinay             : B2 X 1 -  Payment received
Dileep Balan    : B1 X 1 - Payment received
Sreedhar        : A2 X 1 - Cancelled
Drone             : B2 X 1, Electric winder X 1 -  Payment received
Akky              : B2 X 1, Electric winder X 1 - Payment received
Flyingboxcar    : F1 X 1, F2 X 1, F3 X 1 - Payment received

Stocks expected tomorrow. I will be despatching to all addresses by 1st. Sept 2010. Thank you all for bearing with the delay. Fresh consignment expected next week, please start booking now!

Thanks to all for their support.

VC

Hi VC, Just received the parcel, Here are the observations. I was shocked when I saw the size of the box. I was expecting it to be big. Anyways....

Pic 1) The box was slightly deformed. The courier guy told me that he put this box on the cycle carrier  . He said if we want the stuff to be in better shape then use hard box or we need to use a better courier like blue dart or DTDC blue or something like that. I have no complain here as we are still learning what courier is better and what are not.  

Pic 2)All the planes in almost safe condition, though I could see that the 2 of the wings have slight dent, but cant hope for more with such courier / Non hard box. I still havent inspected all the planes closely yet.

Pic 3)The Wingspan of the planes are just 300 mm against as shown in the pic which says 480 mm for B series  . Were you confused? These are useless for us and the thickness of wing is barely 0.5 to 0.75 mm. Definitely does not look like one in the Series B.jpg or B2.jpg.

Pic 4) Plane is pretty small, holding it in my hand for comparision. I cant even think of putting a 150 mah lipo on it forget motor esc and RX(even a micro assan).  

VC I am (we may) be OK with points 1 and 2. What do we do about 3 and 4. Please tell us.  

With a 300mm Wingspan against 480mm as advertised and material so inferior and fragile, I guess the only use would be for Static display. I even suspect one can put the 1-gram servos at all.

With the actual size of the plane, its not much of any use to serious R/C enthusiast and find price of 650 not fair. I saw a similar size plane being sold by New India Models, ISRO layout, Bangalore and the price was Rs 150.

I guess VC's supplier messed up with the shipment and sent us wrong product.

Hmm 300mm... is way too small for a 480mm wingspan.
Yeah, may be wrong product shipped. 
 

How do we go about this VC?

Firstly, my apologies.

Point 3. I was misled by the supplier, who gave me the details of the website and left me to figure it out for myself. he was most unhelpful in supplying details of the products. However, since I took the responsibility of posting it on the forum, I should have checked thoroughly. It is my fault.

Point 4. I understand the situation. if you want a refund of your money, I will arrange it. Please let me know.

I had taken a lot of pain to have the stuff securely packed and had marked it FRAGILE in many places on the package and it WAS sent by DTDC. The DTDC Blue is a much more expensive proposition.

This entire deal, due to my scant business knowledge, has been a complete loss. I was informed that my entire consignment shipped to Guwahati would cost around Rs.500/-. based upon that I confirmed the deal and transferred the money to him. He then called me a couple of days later and told me that I would have to pay him another Rs.3200/- as the consignment was attracting volumetric weight! At that instant I knew that I was stuck in a bad deal. He had my money and there was nothing I could do about it. I paid the  3200/- went ahead with the deal, only because I had committed to the members of the forum, knowing fully well that I was incurring a loss.

VC, first of all let me tell you that I did not type the previous message with anger or hatredness. The head banging smiley is a bit too harsh looking I guess  .

I/WE understand you are doing more than anyone else to promote this hobby. BTW Drone said he will send you a PM on what to do. I will follow up with him.

I understand mistakes happen as nobody is perfect or we are out of luck sometimes

Cheers! Vinay.

I have sent an individual PM to each one who has purchased these gliders. Please let me know what needs to be done to rectify the situation and it shall be done as far as possible. I have had a word with the supplier, who callously informed me that there is nothing that he could do, so I am left holding the baby.

I am so very sorry for what has happened.

Thank you for your kindness.

As requested by Vinay, Drone and Ujjwaana, I will refund their entire amounts.

Thanks VC. Since tom is Sunday and couriers closed, I will at the max ship back the items by Tuesday.

hmmmm things are not going good......

Quote from: vinay on September 04, 2010, 05:52:40 PM



I understand mistakes happen as nobody is perfect or we are out of luck sometimes

Cheers! Vinay.

exactly

At the very outset, I would like to clarify that this post is not to justify anything or offer excuses. It is being written as a reality check and as a caution to all future Buyers and Sellers, so that they don't feel cheated or suffer embarrassment as I have faced today. This is not meant as an insult or to point fingers at anyone. The people who have asked for refunds are perfectly justified and I once again apologise for have quoted wrong specs. However, before I go quietly into the night, I felt that I should clarify a few points that have been raised.

1.   I never certified that these were anything other than gliders. I was under the impression that my buyers were buying Gliders and not Micro Electric RC Convertible Airframe Kits.  I am not an authority on the subject of Micro RC, but from common sense it seems that if a 480 mm glider can be confidently converted to RC (some people were very confident) so can a 300 mm glider, with a bit of effort.

2.   The first and second buyers booked the models immediately upon seeing the pictures without any hesitation. One was candid enough to comment on the topic of electrifying the model that if it didn't work, the kids would play with it. Now he wants his money back. The buyer is always right.

3.   Someone commented that actual model B2 does not look anything like the picture that was posted as Series B.jpg. I don't have a B2, so I constructed a B1. Attaching the pictures, please judge for yourself.

4.   I came across another comment that this model would only be good enough for static display.  The B1 model that I constructed, flies rather well. But then again, I flew it as a rubber powered glider, not as a wannabe Micro RC aircraft.

5.   I would like to reiterate, one last time, that this post is not a way to hit back at any individual. I am extremely embarrassed with what I have done. No one else is to blame other than me. I am not offering any lame excuses for the goof up. This was simply an honest endeavour to promote something close to my heart and it went wrong due to a simple oversight. At the end of the day, the seller HAS to accept the blame. I do.


As a Seller, one HAS to ensure that the buyer gets what he was promised. That's where I went wrong.

P.s. There is a member on this forum who still owes me Rs.200/- for something that he failed to deliver. Despite several PM's to him, he has not responded. Will this post change anything.....I doubt it.

The B series....who  says cannot be converted into rc?
they can be converted to 3 channel plane
1 ch-motor
1 ch- elevator
1 ch- rudder

I suggest use these servos from hobbyking

http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=6405&Product_Name=Toki_BioWire_1g_Micro_Servo_(world_first)

or
Visit http://www.microflight.com/
you can sure convert the gliders to rc.

Remember friends.....as taught by my dad....nothing on this earth is useless..... you just need to figure out the right way of using it....
I assure you the day all my rubberbands get finished
i have only 3.....i will start converting it into RC......
"EXPERTISATION ONLY COMES AFTER EXPERIMENTATION"

I WANT EVERY ONE TO SEE THIS PLANE
ITS A MICRO PLANE
MADE BY TAHLAN SIR....A GREAT BUILDER AND AEROMODELLER INDEED..

Quote from: VC on September 04, 2010, 10:07:01 PM
1.   I never certified that these were anything other than gliders. I was under the impression that my buyers were buying Gliders and not Micro Electric RC Convertible Airframe Kits.  I am not an authority on the subject of Micro RC, but from common sense it seems that if a 480 mm glider can be confidently converted to RC (some people were very confident) so can a 300 mm glider, with a bit of effort.

VC if you read theory, There is a lot of difference between 300 and 480 mm, Its not only wingspan that increases, but the chord length as well effectively increasing the area, this atleast allows us to put a motor that I already have. But at 300 mm, its more of a fight than effort. I already had electronics for 480 mm and not 300 mm. So it was COMMON SENSE that I ordered a 480mm rather than a 300 mm.

Quote from: VC on September 04, 2010, 10:07:01 PM
2.   The first and second buyers booked the models immediately upon seeing the pictures without any hesitation. One was candid enough to comment on the topic of electrifying the model that if it didn't work, the kids would play with it. Now he wants his money back. The buyer is always right.

I said that I would give those gliders to kids If I cannot convert a 480mm. I assumed the responsibility of converting it or not being able to convert. If I recieve a 300 mm ones, then its not what I assumed! YES, THE BUYER IS ALWAYS RIGHT IF HE DOES NOT RECEIVE WHAT HE ORDERS!

Quote from: VC on September 04, 2010, 10:07:01 PM
3.   Someone commented that actual model B2 does not look anything like the picture that was posted as Series B.jpg. I don't have a B2, so I constructed a B1. Attaching the pictures, please judge for yourself.

The wings are EXTREMELY thin. More thinner than that looks in the Series B photo. Its because the wing span is 300 mm and not 480mm, 480 would have its own proportional thickness. Infact the Series B photo looks more like a 48" trainer to me  . So whats more important in an online deal is to specify proper dimensions.

Quote from: VC on September 04, 2010, 10:07:01 PM
However, before I go quietly into the night, I felt that I should clarify a few points that have been raised.
This was simply an honest endeavour to promote something close to my heart and it went wrong due to a simple oversight. At the end of the day, the seller HAS to accept the blame. I do.

Yes, Thats cool, you are accepting the blame. But why again point fingers at us for not doing any wrong? Before you go quietly into the night why make noise? Why say that we dont have common sense to convert a 300 mm to electric or being candid and all that?

VC, I understand what has happened. Iam not telling you cheated us, I took all those photos to show you as a proof and to tell you that the product was useless for us. Not to insult you or mock at you!!!!!

But this post is not what i expected from you! 

its beauty

Spectrum AR 6400L with on board linear servos, wt 3.9g,
3.9g for Rx and 2 on board servos.

That micro rc is good And so is the rubber model. Looks dam good VC did you fly it as shown in the pic ( with rubber in a single loop) how far did she fly and for how many turns?

Dear Vinay,

I wouldn't like to refute anything that you say. Simply because it is a waste of your time and mine. As far as the tone of the posts are concerned, I'll let the others compare your tone with mine. I promised you that I will refund your money and I will. Find me another seller who will do this.

There are 2 issues that need to be faced here. 1. The dimensions are not identical to what was offered - that is entirely my fault. 2. Whether these models can be electrified or not - till such time as I have the expertise to achieve that, I will just shut up. The day I can convert it to RC, I will, for sure, let you know.

I too, didn't expect that all three of you would ask for a refund just because you bought a glider and couldn't convert it to RC and then tell me, publicly, that it is for static display only. The issue is not really the size here, is it?

VC

The issue was simple, I had electrics ready for a 480mm sized plane, so I ordered one. Now I cant use that electrics on a this small model, so returning. Anything wrong? its not like 300 mm cant be converted, but Iam neither ashta not Thalan, nor do I have the ability Nor do i have the time to fight converting smaller ones.

And seriously, one wouldnt pay Rs. 600 for such a small glider. Thats the reason I posted the pic holding in my hand.

Today morning I was hacking my 8000 rs computer SMPS carelessly to bring this computer up. Now this thread is making me feel like Iam fighting for mere 650 rs.   Its making me feel cheap

Quote from: rajathv8 on September 04, 2010, 11:09:48 PM
That micro rc is good And so is the rubber model. Looks dam good VC did you fly it as shown in the pic ( with rubber in a single loop) how far did she fly and for how many turns?

Rajath, I tried about 70 odd turns, though the thumb rule is about 200 turns or so. I will test her outside tomorrow and will try and post a video for you.

Do read what Vinay has to say in the post above, it may be a bit too much to pay Rs.650/- for this glider with a 310mm wingspan, fuselage length of 290mm and an AUW of 19grams.

Regards,

VC