Nah, a true seller would have said, amount not received and would have kept the thread open. remember last time he did not want to open the package and click a pic 

I hope that the guy comes back and explain everything ....... 

Quote from: deepikarun on January 20, 2011, 01:49:29 PM
Although what you have done(the manipulation of bank transaction detail) seems right today, isn't what you have done is also cheating ?

I presume that this could be a tit for tat situation where the hunter has become the prey.

I would second that. No matter how genuine Divay's intentions were, Even if Divay files a cyber crime complaint, In my humble opinion Divay is in for more trouble than the seller.

Divay has given him proof of first breach of trust and manipulation done by him by sending him the forged transaction details. Based on that seller has sent Divay a courier which divay has received it also without any comeback or complaint.

I dont understand how divay is going to prove that the courier was empty as claimed and that the second breach of trust was also not commited by him. Empty packages of courier has no value of proof. Before receiving the parcel divay should have checked the dimension and apparent weight of the parcel.

If seller now complaints against divay he is in for serious trouble.   

Here is what Divay posted today at 09:55 AM:

I always had presumed that this guy was a cheat having a privellage A/c with the bank I had trnsf. the money from I was sucesfully able to retrieve the same today...


and again at 10:31 AM:

Since I presumed that this guy was an imposter here was my action plan...

I went ahead and transfered money from my A/c to my wife's A/c (the same amt)
took a screen shot and edited it with the imposters A/C details.... and sent him a screenshot of the same  basis which he sent me the courier.

Why the two statements differ

--------------------------------------------

The reason why I did this were two:
1. When I asked him that someone known to me will come and collect the goods from him he said that would not be possible.... and started to ignore the sale....
2.  Augustine was also promised the goods at the same time as me....we guys spoke to each other and smelt something fishy....

The above 2 points clearly shows the wicked intention of the seller and it was the price which lured Divay to take it further.

I would suggest please think twice and verify properly before you jump into such deals.

Quote from: sundaramvelar on January 20, 2011, 02:38:25 PM
I would second that. No matter how genuine Divay's intentions were, Even if Divay files a cyber crime complaint, In my humble opinion Divay is in for more trouble than the seller.

The key factor is that he tried to sell the same thing to two people at the same time.  Plus the seller did not want anyone to collect it in person.

However, the way Divay proceeded in this case has its repercussions, the case would have been solid if money was actually transferred, and the same was retrieved by filing a dispute with the financial institution (something like a Paypal claim).

Quote from: deepikarun on January 20, 2011, 02:59:55 PM
Why the two statements differ

Even I thought so

Hi All,

While trading in future please ensure to keep posting whatever discussion has taken place between the buyer and seller so that others will also be informed and chip in with their advice/suggestions.

Thanks

Arun

Anwar, for the good of all can we have the rules i mentioned? Every one will have the item to sell and a camera(even a mobile camera) with them 

Quote from: anwar on January 20, 2011, 03:06:33 PM
However, the way Divay proceeded in this case has its repercussions, the case would have been solid if money was actually transferred, and the same was retrieved by filing a dispute with the financial institution.

I think if the money was actually transfered and Divay had not received the item. Then if Divay had filled a paypal kind of dispute and got a refund then the case is not solid but then the seller would have got scot free claiming loss of item in transit.

However now this case has serious repercussions. Now since the money has not been transfered but forged proof of transfer is given by Divay, seller can blame it all on Divay for even the missing item in the courier and file a case of theft against Divay.

O.k. here goes the statements are not different.......

I had actually transfered the money... but due to the nature of my A/c with the bank I was able to stop the transfer (usually this cannot be done .. you need to have special authorization from RBI to do this) this was done at abt 12:00 hrs on  Jan 17th.

No the next step ( editing of the tranfer doc and sending it to the imposter was done on the same day at 16:21 hrs this was done to when I had a word with augustine and got suspicious of the events that were taking place.....

FOR EVERYONES KNOWLEDGE....

MONEY ONCE TRANSFERED TO AN X A/C CAN NEVER BE RETRIEVED, It can only be retrieved once the court proceedings are done... in our country that is an endless process.....

also

IF SOMEONE THINKS THAT MY WAY OF HANDLING THINGS WAS WRONG THEN I JUST HAVE ONE THING TO SAY .... YOU MIGHT LIKE GETTING FOOLED .... I DON'T

I REST MY CASE ...

Mr. sundaramvelar,

The seller cannot do anything of that due to the following reasons :

a- I have a proof of transfer - and a proof of withdrawl due to suspicious activity ( bank attested)
b- The courier company did not have the courier documented as a parcel rather it is documented as a envelope mail under 10 grms
c- The forged reciept was done to actually nail the offender;....


THIS EVENT HAS DONE NOTHING BUT PUT DOUBTS IN EVERYONES MIND OF TRADING ON FORUMS.....

I PREVIOUSLY HAVE HAD MANY TRADES ON THIS FORUM AND HAVE NEVER HAD ANY PROBLEMS.....
BUT THIS EVENT IS THE WORSTT ... 

Quote from: deepikarun on January 20, 2011, 02:59:55 PM
The reason why I did this were two:
1. When I asked him that someone known to me will come and collect the goods from him he said that would not be possible.... and started to ignore the sale....
2.....
The above 2 points clearly shows the wicked intention of the seller and it was the price which lured Divay to take it further.

I remember there was someone selling foam sheets a few months ago who also refused pickup, even to members in the same city. But still people bought lots of foam from him, successfully 

Everyone has their own way of handling things as rightly said.

Being fooled or not is another question as it is the extent to which one is fooled.

Such thing in the cyberworld keeps coming like if you have an email account, how many times have one received emails stating that you have won a lottery for xxx millions and asking you to send them your details. If you get carried away by the millions and in this case the unwarranted discount, you stand to loose.

Vinay Ji, Regarding pictures of the product, I dont think it is going to make any impact on imposters. I can post many photoshop edited images of any item you say to deceive the best in this forum.

I repeat again, please ensure that you put every word of discussion, commitment, price, payment and shipping as it takes place in this forum so that others are also informed about the happenings.

Regards

Arun

Oh BTW ...

I have something to say on this forum for all those who have written remarks pointing on me not bieng correct ......

YOU SHOULD BE RATHER THANKFUL TO ME ... AS TODAY IT IS BCOZ OF MY ACTS THAT WE ALL ARE NOT ASHAMED OF THE FACT THAT AN OUTSIDER CAME ON OUR FORUM AND FOOLED US ...

ALSO, HERE IS THE PHONE NUMBER AND EMAIL ID OF THE GUY.. LETS SEE HOW YOU NAIL HIM BETTER

+91-99-44-465636

@ Divay

I hope I was not giving you an impression of being a Devil's Advocate.

I was just speaking for protecting your interest in this case Divay.

No one can be termed guilty till it is proven so. Therefore in no way I was trying to jump to any conclusions for or against either of the party.

Thanks sundaramvelar I appreciate the clarification ... I am sorry if I sounded rude ...

Quote from: divay99 on January 20, 2011, 03:47:59 PM
Oh BTW ...

I have something to say on this forum for all those who have written remarks pointing on me not bieng correct ......

YOU SHOULD BE RATHER THANKFUL TO ME ... AS TODAY IT IS BCOZ OF MY ACTS THAT WE ALL ARE NOT ASHAMED OF THE FACT THAT AN OUTSIDER CAME ON OUR FORUM AND FOOLED US ...

Dear Divay Ji,

We are all very sad of what has happened and at the same time glad to know that you were able to decipher the malicious intention of the seller and avoid him.

You have mentioned the seller as an outsider, whereas the fact is that he is also an insider.

I have nothing against you or the seller just trying to get things clear. CHEERS!!!.

The mobile number which you have mentioned is non existent.

Thanks
Arun

Dear Arun,

It went non existant today, also a person who has just 5 post because he opened an A/C within the forum can not be termed as an insider since he/she still needs to create thier credibility ... we make new friends every day .... but we call them family only when we have spent a considerable time with them ....

Quote from: divay99 on January 20, 2011, 03:31:37 PM
Mr. sundaramvelar,

The seller cannot do anything of that due to the following reasons :

I support Divay in his tackling the situation and courage for testing the water. We have seen that even members who have spent some time in the forum, doing similar mischief. Guarding one's interest is prime.

Not being a stereotype, but till date I have low confidence even on Indian e-bay sellers, not just from wrongdoings but after sale support. Not to talk about western sellers (used), even HK/SG based sellers (new item) are much aggressive for their reputation.

oh btw i just tried calling the number again and it is still existant but no one is picking it up

Cheers Divay Ji,

I am very happy that we have outsmarted such seller in the first place.

Happy flying.

Best Regards

Arun

Quote from: divay99 on January 20, 2011, 03:31:37 PM
Mr. sundaramvelar,
The seller cannot do anything of that due to the following reasons :

I sincerely Hope so!. It is always better to be extra careful especially in financial transactions than commit a misadventure and face repercussions.

Cheers to the forum members and Anwar... for raising the suspicion and helping us ... btw during the sale me and anwar were also exchanging notes to track things further....

Anwar thanks for standing by ... best regards to you

Quote from: divay99 on January 20, 2011, 04:05:09 PM
oh btw i just tried calling the number again and it is still existant but no one is picking it up

Yep i have also tried 3 - 4 times, not taking my call as well.

item sold locally... admin, log the thread... thx!!!!!!!!!