after my previous post here...! i received a reply from him... stated as

"Dear sir,

We're very sorry that we can't deliver your order. Our forwarding company can't deliver a small order. We will refund your money. Please write your bank account information.
Sorry for this apologized.

Sincerely,
PT. MAXIM INDOWOOD
Deni Satria"

glad to hear tat..

hi
  glad to hear that
   

then to ujjwanna
   u first understand that i did not ran away from form looting the money
   next if u would have smelled some thing fissy u would have participated in the debate and must have warned the members
   u have not even posted single post in this topic
   now hurting me and also some one who dare to take some steps in the aeromodelling makes cheaper

hands off to rc wish

Quote from: bessie on December 22, 2011, 05:02:32 PM
hands off to rc wish

it is "vish".

and i did not mind tasting the poison. as i thought it  was necter.  actually i just wanted to help a M.S student who was in  desperate need of low price balsa and my self. there  was no commercial interest in this deal.

i have given  the seller  time till 26/12 /11 to get a full refund along  with the  amt i spend for the bank  charges.

also sent a email to  the authorities in Indonesia and India involved to  hold on  with  the investigation. until 26/12.

an  important lesson to  be learnt  for all. NEVER PAY UNTIL U HAVE MADE ENTIRE BACKGROUND CHECK of THE FIRM,.......

and ONLY USE  PAYPAL for INTERNATIONAL TRANSACTIONS..

Quote from: bessie on December 22, 2011, 05:02:32 PM
hi
  glad to hear that
   

then to ujjwanna
   u first understand that i did not ran away from form looting the money
   next if u would have smelled some thing fissy u would have participated in the debate and must have warned the members
   u have not even posted single post in this topic
   now hurting me and also some one who dare to take some steps in the aeromodelling makes cheaper

hands off to rc wish

I have seen so many similar scams on this RC forum and also on the photography forum I used to be frequent. Please  have a look at the thread and see what people have told about you - these are relatively newbies doing some good research on your rather suspicious pattern.
Regarding me necessarily putting my leg: I was planning to get along with few other people and get a bulk shipment of your original offer, but ridiculously  cheap price  raised a red tab in my book. I am happy with my trusted LHS providing me with the timber for the mean while.

Coming back to your gratefulness of returning the money. You should have double checked with your supplier/shipper before committing.

Please do read about the improper payment procedure written about you in this thread which painted your RED before accusing me. We had enough of this kind of  'Run away bitches'

hey
ujwanna
   before accusing some one u have to study the post properly (this is the word told by u)
first u understand that who is selling
  u dont know that in first hand then why r u shouting some nonsense

for ur clarification
   r/c wish has sent his payment to dennie santria and this thread has started by him only
   before accusing some one first go through the topic clealy

iam in india
  iam not in indonesia do u think iam stupid hearing all the nonsence u r talking

mind ur words

I am sorry but I don't understand why Bessie is being accused of swindling / attempting to swindle anyone. Bessie, afaik, is just a passionate modeller who was requesting others to import some balsa wood. Am I missing anything here?

thank you very much

all i want is that all the modelers accross india should get benifitted with low cost supplies

but it back fired me
who should i accuse i dont know

I would apologise Mr Bessie as I mistook you for mr Deni Sataria coz the way you retaliated. There was not a clue that you were involved in the payment.
Iam not sure how long have you been in the forum, but we have seen so many wellwishers of this hobby turning into fleecers that any one using such words raises suspicion.
Please mind that there have so many others who have tested unseen waters and done enough of TOFTT. Just they dont claim that so often.

All the best for all future endeavors

This is a serious scam, A serious fishing scam I must say happened here. Mods should consider to take stricter actions, atleast for future prevention of such kind of instances.


Secondly being  involved in international trade professionally I understand this fact very well, that how difficult it is for a person to import big quantities in personal capacity. And LoC is a norm, even if you are dealing with known people, and if you are dealing with unknown people it's Mandatory. Good VC sir you haven't fallen in trap.

Yes we as a group of flyers here, had given a thought to this idea, to import balsa from this seller, but Ujjwaana was the only person who have opposed this idea, and warned us against this person. So I know very well he knew about intentions of this seller. I know for sure he might have expressed same views on this fora if any member might have expressed his intentions of buying balsa from this seller.

If you are advocating for some person than, certainly it will be understood as, either you Know that person very well or you have some interests in his efforts, irrespective of his intentions.

And finally I think, and mentioned previously also, that no civilised person will digest personal remarks, which are bad to taste, and keep on posting, may be once or twice. Any ways it's upto Mods to decide

Akshay - well said! +1

As far as the rest is concerned, Ujjwaana has been man enough to apologise for his words, he is a senior member, and I am sure he was trying to safeguard the community from a scam. End of story. No damage done, I hope.

I consider myself very lucky today.

Certainly VC sir, I myself had considered this poster, to have some interest in this sale or some kind of representative of the seller.

For sure Ujjwaana is man enough to say sorry. after listening all those personal remarks, which were certainly not good to taste.

To answer Mr Bessie's comment on why I kept quiet - for this very reason of becoming Public Enemy despite all good reason. I have beaten down many wrong doer in the past, only to become reputation looser at end of the day.

So on the advice of many of my near dear and well wishers, I limited my posting only regarding Build-Threads and non -controversial technical topics. But to my deepest disappointment, the forum remains to be a Kinder Garden, instead of growing up over these 3 years. I think this forum has enough moderators per (active) member I have seen on a comparable forum to keep a vigil on any such activity. I pray R/C Vish case has a happy closure, nevertheless My Sataria's repeated 'Bumps' to persuade people to make an order from him would always raise an alarm, specially after seeing a copy-paste post on RcGroups.com addressing to Indian audience. It shows such an desperate attempt.

I am sick of myself acting like बेगानी शादी में अब्दुल्ला दीवाना  all the time...

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all.

And in the end, it is the forum's fault... that's typical Ujjwal

Anyways, I have just had probably the busiest two months I have had in the last few years, and was barely logging on to the site.  I had not watched this thread (since I had not made any comments on this, I was not subscribed to it automatically either).

Overall, this looks like a simple case of "not enough due diligence".  There are proper methods of importing from unknown external parties for bulk quantities of anything, and one such tool commonly used is a "Letter of Credit".  Feel free to look it up.  If anyone asks you to send via Western Union, stop right there !  If someone here did not know that, of course it is this forum's fault

If the rest of Ujjwal's above comments are about support for Hobbyking (which is the only controversial subject that I can attribute to him), then some people did not seem to understand the whole concept of percentages, economies of scale and finally some ground realities (including the wriggling they do) when it comes to low margin large businesses. I am not going to say anything more than that.

And finally, it does not take "moderators" to caution one another... how is that for a novel idea ?

Pardon me, but I am in a bad mood today... sort of overworked

BTW, Jepara is sort of the furniture capital of Indonesia, and a close friend of mine travelled there 4 times within the last 2 years while he was getting his house built. He got all his furniture from there.  I know another person from Kerala who settled there, adopting the sending of furniture to Kerala as his line of business.

I still feel the seller started off as genuine, and his intention was to sell in bulk to hobby shops.  He was not really expecting piece meal orders, which are not economical for anyone.  His intentions may have changed once he realized the hassles in dealing with piece meal stuff.

This is Forum's Fault because of Forum policies, People start making derogatory remarks without knowing the fact, or the person they are writing about.

There can't be a middle path.

And secondly it's not forum's fault if a person orders without asking questions here for the things he does know about.

Johny a few points for your consideration

Quote from: ujjwaana on December 22, 2011, 11:11:09 PM
...I have beaten down many wrong doer in the past, only to become reputation looser at end of the day..

.. does it matter, isn't showing courage more important than thinking of reputation ? let me tell you , your reputation is better than many of the forum heroes,

Quote from: ujjwaana on December 22, 2011, 11:11:09 PM
So on the advice of many of my near dear and well wishers, I limited my posting only regarding Build-Threads and non -controversial technical topics.

should have stuck to this policy, one sentence alarm, if you wanted to, and leave it at that , gullible people need to learn by making mistake, (Remember 'Tiger with OS 60' incident of mine, i lost big money, then i learnt,)

Quote from: ujjwaana on December 22, 2011, 11:11:09 PM
.. But to my deepest disappointment, the forum remains to be a Kinder Garden

..may be, but the hobby is not, it has made gr8 strides in last few years, this RCI school has more nursery children than children in 12th (There are some who think they are in 12th but are still are in nursery) nevertheless it is a school, a lot of lads fall back to this forum to learn, a lot of'em login, read and never post, they visit relevant threads, read and gain knowledge. i think there are 100+ viewers (if not more, anwar bhai will be able to tell us about it) to a participant. Even if you think it is a Kinder Garden (I don't think so though) , give it time, it will grow, you presence will help it grow

Quote from: ujjwaana on December 22, 2011, 11:11:09 PM
I am sick of myself acting like बेगानी शादी में अब्दुल्ला दीवाना  all the time...

did you hear the whole song. there is  beautiful line at the end of it, that's what we do, look out for each other while giving the other person room to manoeuvre read this

अपना बेगाना कौन जाना अनजाना कौन
   अपने दिल से पूछो दिल को पहचाना कौन
   पल में लुट जाता है यूँ ही बह जाता है
   शादी किसी की हो अपना दिल गाता है

बेगानी शादी में अब्दुल्ला दीवाना ..

these are just points to ponder, you can refute me, in public, no issues on that, you are dear to me that's why, i wrote

Merry Xmas

Quote from: anwar on December 23, 2011, 02:14:26 AM
And in the end, it is the forum's fault... that's typical Ujjwal

Anyways, I have just had probably the busiest two months I have had in the last few years, and was barely logging on to the site.  I had not watched this thread (since I had not made any comments on this, I was not subscribed to it automatically either).

If the rest of Ujjwal's above comments are about support for Hobbyking (which is the only controversial subject that I can attribute to him),

Pardon me, but I am in a bad mood today... sort of overworked

We really missed your comments on a topic of such high monetary value.
Lately,  I have not been a (blind) HK supporter, but advocating awareness and one's right when ordering, contrary to one of my close friends opinion.

I guess you deserve a decent holiday, but it wd be hard to find such an addictively active Admin while you are away.

Quote from: anwar on December 23, 2011, 02:19:40 AM
I still feel the seller started off as genuine, and his intention was to sell in bulk to hobby shops.  He was not really expecting piece meal orders, which are not economical for anyone.  His intentions may have changed once he realized the hassles in dealing with piece meal stuff.

This looks like MPower/JackHobbies case even at its best. Though there is no outwardly fraud evident till now, much due diligence was required by Mr Satria to reply on this forum instead of being silent all the while.


And सुभान  अल्लाह  Gusty sir, point taken....

Dear Moderator & All,

I strongly suggest to close this topic ,we are all aeromodellers & think alike.There are more better topic.

Wish you all aeromodellers a very merry x mas & happy new year 2012

Regards
Peter

Mr.gomes: this  topic does not end until  i get me refund or he  gets punished...

i  think he has  no intention of refund as he has not  replied to my emails  again.he is just wanting to nuy sometime....

i went ahead and informed the INDIAN EMBASSY in Indonesia that he has not  replied within  24hrs as i was  told to wait for 24 to  get a reason for this delay. with a positive response from them that  they have put  a local police  case there in Jakarta against the name they  got from the bank, ( NOT TO BE DISCLOSED). and i have to  wait till Monday  to receive a full refund. or they will  issue  a manhunt.

i really  appreciate the help from Mr. Rakesh Kumar Arora, First Secretary (Economic & Commercial, , Indian embassy, Jakarta) who is helping me through  this..

after  Monday  i  do not care if i get my money back, but  this  person will get a ride  for a life... will understand not to mess  with the INDIAN AEROMODELLING COMMUNITY

Quote from: R/C vish on December 23, 2011, 09:49:07 PM
... will understand not to mess  with the INDIAN AEROMODELLING COMMUNITY

+1

Quote from: R/C vish on December 23, 2011, 09:49:07 PM
not to mess  with the INDIAN AEROMODELLING COMMUNITY

well said R / C Vish...

 

Hello Vishvesh,

Thanks for make a trouble. We get a black list from our bank. It's only US$85 and you make anything like a boy lost his balloon. We try to refund your money but bank can't process duo your complain. How would we do to give back your BIG money? We're sorry to deal your transaction. Because of you, we LOST anything. Police in Indonesia only know money to close your case.
Aaarrggh.. If We know you have a big mouth, we will not accept your order.

Please tell us how to give back your money. How about our reputation? and can you clear our name? (from bank, b2b website and this forum). I don't think so.

Regards,
Deni

To VC,

Thanks for your information about the sample. We will not disappointed if you want to cancel your order although we have pay to make your documents (certificate, fumigation, COO, phytosanitary etc).
Now we had lost many cost duo vishvesh report.
Thanks for your attention.

Regards,
Deni