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Started by rajathv8, August 11, 2012, 11:55:56 PM

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rajathv8

Pic 18 - Packet 7 with some stuff - pinion, screws, washers. Dont know what the black bits are

Pic 19 - Packet 8 - Dont know what these are either :D

samlikespad

Best of luck with the build... i have to wait till I get my box. My plan is to follow youtube clips by nuttcase

Shannon

For this kit please download the align 450 se v2 and follow instuctions exactly from there all measurments have to be from peefect as in the manual for perfect setup ...merry christmas
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rajathv8

@samlikespad: Thanks :) I havent ordered elecrtonics yet.

@Shannon: Will do. I also plan to watch the videos put up by Sujju and Finless. :)

samlikespad

Merry Christmas to all! Thanks Shannon thats's some thing I forgot to consider. Will download the manual. Hope its easy to find.

Shannon

Yup just goole it u will get it or yiu will find on the main threads helifreak.com.....one more thing i forgot to mention all guys who have purchased the begginer kit from rcbazaar the head and tail assembly is not metal and made out of plastic so dont even dare think bout crazy headspeeds keep ur headspeeds between 2500 - 2700 not more than that and cause ur gonna run such low headspeed pls make sure ur battery is 30c or ur 20c batteries wont last long because of low rpm and high amps ...am sure h cant go more than 2700rpm pls confirm with sujju thise plastic parts are not carbon infused so .......happy hover guys
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samlikespad

Shannon, mine is from HK (GT Pro), does that apply here as well?

Shannon

no yours will be a full metal head from hk  ..this is only for people using the begg kit from rcbazaar the head is made up of plastic parts and is good for begg only .... one major advice though get atleast 2 bags of screw set of 450 pro from rcbazaar and replace all the screws from the hk gt pro all including frame  head everything ..Hk has very brittle screws my very first 450 was from HK that time rcbazaar was not around but those screws they provide are terrable they break easily ....
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samlikespad

Thanks shannon will do. I am working abroad. But fortunately for me, I am visiting my home land for a week (3rd Jan 2013). Will order them to my home and bring it with me.

Shannon

Align/Clone trex 450 se v2 Begginner kit Rcbazaar RPM 2500 -2700 may be 2800 (running fiber glass or carbon fiber blades)

Just for  begginners
Align/Clone trex 450 se v2 2600 rpm normal flight ( fiber glass or carbon fiber) increase to 2800 for sport flying
Align/clone trex 450 sport all versions rpm normal flight 2800 rpm ( fiber glass or carbon fiber ) increase to 2900 for sport flying
Align/clone trex 450 pro rpm normal flight 2800rpm (fiber glass or carbon fiber ) increase to 2900 for sport flying

FOR 3D
Align/clone 450 se v2 2900 rpm
align/clone 450 sport 3000 -3100 rpm
align/clone trex 450 pro 3000-3300  rpm

well u guys may be wondering why 2900 rpm for 450 se v2 well i tried going beyond that and since it is the very first version by  align it felt like it was gonna shatter and perform well only at 2900 ...am not sure but it has got something to do with the design ..... do not use the wooden blades they can only be used at or below 2500 rpm an those blades wont track at all above 2500 just use glass fiber or carbon blades ..use only carbon fiber for 3D or it may shatter in air  ;D
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samlikespad

I have ordered both 11T/13T spares. Intent to use the 11T for my initial training period and move on to 13T ( on Turnigy Typhoon 450H 2218H Heli Motor 3450kv). Hope that should do to limit the rpm to the recommended.

Shannon

for that motor just use 13t pinion the 11t will give u just 2800 rpm at 100% throttle thought it will run efficient it will give u very low flight time run 13t pinion
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samlikespad


Shannon

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Hellyflyer

The Black bits in pack 7 are for servos you will need these to hold servos in place and packet 8 has knight rod supports and spare ball links
Helis and Quads ROCK !!

rajathv8

Thanks Hellyflyer :)

I plan to use a 3500KV motor with 13T pinion and wooden blades at the suggested 2500-2700 rpm head speed. This kit will not be used for anything even resembling 3D. It is strictly a learning platform.

Shannon

Pls use fiberglass blades they are cheap  better than woodies ...u will have alot of tracking problem with woodies specially above 2500 and there are chances of it breaking in air even in a hard turn ..if u wanna use it only for hover practice no problem but nothing more than that ....
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abhi19nav

Just outta curiosity, How much does a completely built 450 cost?

raja_mastana

#43
Rough estimate

A beginner 450 should be under 8,000

A genuine Align DFC 450 (3D capable) with clone electronics (HV servos etc) will be 30,000

A genuine Align DFC 450 (3D capable) with genuine electronics will be 45,000
ALIGN 450 PRO DFC 6S Belt Driven | Polaris BEC | Nano-Tech 6S 1300mAH | Robird G31 | 325D Pro | TGY-306G HV | KST 515MG | K-Force 40A | NTM Rotor Drive 1700kv

Multiplex Easy Star 2 | Multiplex Mentor | Nissan 350Z Endless Tamiya TT-01D

Shannon

There is very little difference in 450 kit frame quality between clone and Og also depends wat clone you buy.... Rest electronics are all up to you... Assuming u have ur own tx rx very good clone quality electronics including battery should be as stated above. I would also say a good quality build is possible in 25k... It all depends what u want to put in and how you are going to fly general scale flying, sports flying or your gonna increase your skills to 3d... :thumbsup:
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rajathv8

Quoteno yours will be a full metal head from hk  ..this is only for people using the begg kit from rcbazaar the head is made up of plastic parts and is good for begg only .... one major advice though get atleast 2 bags of screw set of 450 pro from rcbazaar and replace all the screws from the hk gt pro all including frame  head everything ..Hk has very brittle screws my very first 450 was from HK that time rcbazaar was not around but those screws they provide are terrable they break easily ....

I requested info from RCB Team about the above. Summary of their response is as follows:
1. The plastic head at 2500-2700 Headspeed is good for hovering, orientation practice, circuits etc. with inverted flight. It is NOT suitable for 3D - fits my needs perfectly.
2. 20C lipo should be enough to learn. 30C MAY not fit easily in the canopy (fit has not been tested)
3. Wooden blades should be enough for hovering and orientations.


Shannon

maintain 2500 -2600 i have seen woodies break anything above that ,use woodies for hover and practicing orientations only dont do any turns with them ,use glass fiber for learning other basic maneuvers including inverted ,u have or may not have tracking issues with woodies cause they are not stiff like glassfiber and CF they have alot of flex in them ,check out sticky 3D flight training for helicopters for step by step maneuvers in heli basic all the way to advanced . :thumbsup:
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Shannon

You will see woodie way out of track on high rpm they appear like rapid flapping of a chicken wing lol its scary just tried once for fun  >:D
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raja_mastana

If you need wood blades, pls contact me ... I have few left
ALIGN 450 PRO DFC 6S Belt Driven | Polaris BEC | Nano-Tech 6S 1300mAH | Robird G31 | 325D Pro | TGY-306G HV | KST 515MG | K-Force 40A | NTM Rotor Drive 1700kv

Multiplex Easy Star 2 | Multiplex Mentor | Nissan 350Z Endless Tamiya TT-01D

rajathv8