Quote from: VC on February 14, 2014, 10:38:21 AM
"Might be in your place black powder or any substance easily available.but here no way" - 12:00:49 am

"but to me its (Black Powder) available readily with all mixed ratios.here people get to make illegal fireworks and fuse" - 12:17:06 am


eh?   

Mr VC
what you want to prove?

Quote from: manojswizera on February 14, 2014, 11:02:47 AM
@ Cosmonaut
which types of rockets you have and their Price please ..

We are considering introducing many model rockets for various skill levels, from launch sets to Ready to Fly sets with constructed rockets, easy assemble models, advanced skill sets besides components and accessories. The final pricing of these is yet to be finalised.

'' All chemicals were bought from laboraory supplies shops with legitimate cash memo inclusive of sales tax and vat. What 'special govt. permission' are you talking about? '' 11:15:08 pm

BUT HERE NO WAY means here to get any chemical we need proper authorization or license a individual can't acquire

"but to me its (Black Powder) available readily with all mixed ratios.here people get to make illegal fireworks and fuse" - 12:17:06 am

But people get it illegally am not proving its impossible.possible but in crocked way.

VC as you replied earlier black power not available but manufacture.

we order like we need for fire works or for fuse according to that they mix and sell so here" AVAILABLE"

What chemicals are you referring to ?

Acquiring these rockets is ok.

But, using a remote or wired ignition system is a problem. Noway you will be able to get a licence for that from the explosives department. I have been into manual firing of fireworks and only a handful of well connected people have a wired or remote ignition system.

Not discouraging model rocketry but possessing a firing system can land you guys in trouble if caught at wrong place n time.

My 2 cents

As Ashimda pointed out that he uses a very long fuse possibly a visco with blackmatch at the end will be good enough. Possessing a wired clip igniter or an e match is trouble. Stay away from the igniters and an ignition system.

Quote from: doctor on March 03, 2014, 02:10:48 PMBut, using a remote or wired ignition system is a problem. Noway you will be able to get a licence for that from the explosives department.

Not discouraging model rocketry but possessing a firing system can land you guys in trouble if caught at wrong place n time.

You are much mistaken. You do not need a license to electrically ignite fireworks. There is no law which says this. I suggest you read the Explosives Rules, 2008 to get a better idea of Indian law regarding this. 

I have read it buddy.

I am talking about the practical scenario. Wrong place and wrong time n u know rest of work is done by police. Even i was warned by a retired policeman. If they get you den keep teaching them the explosive rules and challenging them.

Rest is up to you. I am not here to spoil ur business or anything but the reality is that police will never approve of such a firing system or an ignitor.

Best of luck to you guys.

Page 195, pt. 13

http://dipp.nic.in/English/acts_rules/Acts/ExplosivesRules_2008.pdf

Detonator system is mentioned along with detonating fuse.

I think there is a lot of sense in what doctor is saying here. Once you are caught at the wrong place at the wrong time, no amount of rule book is going to save you from harassment or possible imprisonment. If push comes to shove and they decide to search your house and find explosives stored. God help you.

I am a rocket enthusiast myself. However, staying in Assam, I will think a hundred times before launching an incendiary rocket with or without a remote igniter. Being specific about 'incendiary' as water and pneumatic rockets are not prone to such suspicious scrutiny by the powers that be.

Quote from: doctor on March 03, 2014, 06:45:33 PM
Page 195, pt. 13

http://dipp.nic.in/English/acts_rules/Acts/ExplosivesRules_2008.pdf

Detonator system is mentioned along with detonating fuse.

First you should understand what is the meaning of a detonator. See the definition of detonator and detonating cord on the same document. P 164:

(17) "Detonating fuse"means a cord containing a centre-core of high explosive authorised by the Chief Controller which is used for initiating high explosives charges and to transmit explosion from one explosive charge to another;
(18)"detonator"
means a tubular device —
(a) one end of which is closed and the other—
(i) left open for the insertion of safety fuse
for the purpose of initiating explosion
within the tube; or
(ii)fitted with wires or other device for that
purpose and sealed;
(b) which is loaded with a charge of initiating
explosives, the charge being so designed as
to produce an explosion that would
communicate to the other tube similarly
constructed and charged or other explosive
charge and includes cord relay connector;
-------------------------

A igniter is not a detonator. It is not a tubular device or loaded with any explosive. There is no detonation, explosives or high explosive in it at all. Detonating cord itself is used as a high explosive and that is why it is subject to regulation.

A rocket igniter is more like a vehicle spark plug. You can be assured that you do not require a explosive license to use a electrical spark plug in your vehicle.

Quote from: VC on March 03, 2014, 06:50:24 PM
Once you are caught at the wrong place at the wrong time, no amount of rule book is going to save you from harassment or possible imprisonment.

You dont have to fear anything if you are following the law. If you stretch your imagination then you can find problems in everything.

Even model aircraft are deemed to be a security threat by some. There are also a lot of toy aircraft running on unauthorised radio frequencies in India.

"You don't have to fear anything if you are following the law."

With all due respect, we live in India. The Law is Money and / or Power. If you don't have enough of either, it is best to follow the law that prevails during a given circumstance. A student of mine was hauled to the Police Station for flying an RC glider near the State Guest House. All equipment was confiscated till he parted with Rs.2000/- in cash. Law is what is dictated to us a given situation unless we have Money and/or Power.
One thing that I have learnt :


It tells you what to do. End of story.

All being said, Cosmo if you get the rockets I will be your customer. That is a promise. When and where I fly them is a different question altogether.

@Cosmonaut: Please post the picture of the rocket specific spark plug. I have never seen it.
Thanks for explaining the meaning of a detonator. We are not picturing anything wrong in our minds. My friend was flying with spektrum DSX7 and had to give 1000 bucks to policeman as he just got hold of transmitter. You can keep explaining the law to them whether the instrument is approved or not.

I dont think that the policeman will understand the explosives rules and even if he does ur a goat ready to be made into a Korma. For them its a potential device to detonate a bomb.

the policeman will just keep aside your rule book unless you call ur lawyer. They wont even listen to you buddy.

If you have the power, resources to deal with such a situation go ahead.

I think Cosmonaut is talking about simple ignition systems with a 9v battery and nichrome wire. I have done this and it works fine. As far as legality goes, I agree with VC da. If its the end of the month and the Policeman wants to harass you for money, the law doesn't matter.   

Quote from: doctor on March 03, 2014, 08:13:59 PM
@Cosmonaut: Please post the picture of the rocket specific spark plug. I have never seen it.

Here are a bunch of 6 Quest Aerospace Q2 igniters (uncoated). You can make electrical igniters with materials readily available at your home as well.

I can understand that people may be concerned over harassment by authorities. Occasionally things do go wrong here. I know people here stopped by the traffic police for very doubtful traffic violations, however in general it is not a major issue if you are following the law.

While flying model rockets or airplanes in India, it is best to do it away from sensitive areas and follow general safety precautions.

Yeah thats a simple nichrome wire based ignitor. Instead of a nichrome wire people also use dat steel wool (just like HCL advert.).
I just differ in my opinion as using the clip ignitor/talon got warned by a policeman. He just said " ki bhai seedha dhartay hi andar kar denge aur bail nahin hai" aka "dat we will put u behind bars no questions asked and its non bailable"

I shouldnt extrapolate my experience onto everyone. May be my badluck that i got into a situation.

Best wishes for the efforts you are putting in to make model rocketry popular.

As the famous quote says - "Law is an ass" - (with due apologies to those who are innocently on the wrong side of it; may get kicked or bitten or be a boss).
And in our country, "Jis ka dandaa uskaa bhains". Period. I have heard of a police officer seriously trying to investigate a model heli/quad as being an 'un-manned aerial recon vehicle' or a 'drone' for 'suspicious' activities.
As it was put earlier, "situation is the boss" and if I may add, we may be a 'bakraa' or 'byle' or something else. Its all your luck.

Hi,
     in my knowledge presently there are no such kind of availability & source in India for RTF kind of Rocket kit, even if you manage to get it somehow then trust me you will not get the actual pleasure of launching it as compared to your own self made Rocket.
    Sourcing chemicals itself is a toughest job specially a place like North-East for me. But if you have proper idea of locally available materials & a smart sourcing capability then you can make it out easily in a very affordable budget. Propellant can be anything, only you just need to have some knowledge on Chemical Ratio, aerodynamic, CG, Nozzle, Thrust etc.   Try out yourself Check internet, youtube and build your own rocket motor.
   In my one year of Rocket making experience we used almost every possible chemical components & carried out successful experiment without getting any injuries and violence as VC has mentioned in his earlier post   (Precautions are mandatory). Best R-candy to start with

out of 2000+ launching 200+ was successful (in a safe area)   learn from the mistakes
All the best Go ahead  

I think No
but u can buy from ebay.com

Mr. Asrani, if you try to buy Ammonium Nitrate in India without a valid explosives license, you are asking for BIG trouble. We the members, without thinking and/or knowing, should not propagate such dangerous information on this forum. Tomorrow, some youngster will read what you have written and walk up to a laboratory chemicals shop and ask for Ammonium Nitrate. The chances of him landing up behind bars are very high.

Even if he is lucky enough to get the chemical, it is a dangerously unstable product in the wrong hands and he may end up killing himself.

Perhaps you meant Potassium Nitrate.

sorry V.C
i modify the message    
but thanks for telling me 

 

Incidentally, those who stay in West Bengal may be luckier than the rest of us. All you have to do is to locate a good 'Dasakarma Bhandar' in your city/town. Just ask for 'SHORA' (NOT SODA). That is 99% pure KNO3 at a fraction of the price of the lab grade with 99.99% purity.

@VC   16-12-4-4   

 

16-8-4-4 also works.