Ornithopter

Started by anandtr2006, January 14, 2014, 05:52:09 PM

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anandtr2006

Hello fellows, I am doing a project on ornithopter. Its flapping frequency is 10Hz, with a weight of 330g. I have done the calculations. Wing span :80cm. But i dont have any idea on the Remote control unit. I have chosen the motor and its ESC. Can anyone help me with how to choose the remote control unit ? I will be needing two micro servos.
Motor :Avionic C2830 KV850 QUAD brushless motor
ESC :Avionic 20Amp

Bilal

Hi Anand, welcome to the forum,
see if you need a basic tx with good programming capabilities, I'd suggest you should go for RCB6i by RCBazaar, its a good entry level TX with some great features, and would allow you to set multiple point throttle curve, expo and mixing etc (although I don't know what kind of features you require in the tx for ornithopter).
But if you are interested in this hobby and want to stay for a while, which I hope you would, I'd suggest you to go for an advances transmitter, as it is the first and most important investment you make in the hobby. Although people are banging there heads over the best TX for a beginner for over some time now, but I personally found TGY9X or FrySky9x (same thing different vendors) with ER9X upgrade, more than I could ever ask for. So think about it too before buying

happy flying, and don't forget to post the pics of your ornithopter
cheers
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utkarshg13

Hello Anand,
You had been suggested by the right person(as above) :hatsoff: you should go with this :thumbsup: since as a beginner this is a very good tx with all necessary features at an affordable cost. Later on you could definitely go for advanced radios...
Do post pics of your ornithopter...

Rgds.
"If you were born with wings, do every thing you could, for flying."

anandtr2006

Quote from: Bilal on January 15, 2014, 01:14:19 AM
Hi Anand, welcome to the forum,
see if you need a basic tx with good programming capabilities, I'd suggest you should go for RCB6i by RCBazaar, its a good entry level TX with some great features, and would allow you to set multiple point throttle curve, expo and mixing etc (although I don't know what kind of features you require in the tx for ornithopter).
But if you are interested in this hobby and want to stay for a while, which I hope you would, I'd suggest you to go for an advances transmitter, as it is the first and most important investment you make in the hobby. Although people are banging there heads over the best TX for a beginner for over some time now, but I personally found TGY9X or FrySky9x (same thing different vendors) with ER9X upgrade, more than I could ever ask for. So think about it too before buying

happy flying, and don't forget to post the pics of your ornithopter
cheers

Thank you Bilal.  :) The Radio set looks promising, though the only problem still lingering is "Out of Stock" label. RCbazaar doesnt have any stock of radio units. I went through different sites, and found these, which are in stock. Any suggestions would be welcomed. ;D

Fly Sky 6 channel 2.4 GHz Transmitter and Receiver (mode 2)   Rs 2,980.00             aeroworks.co.in
SANWA/AIRTRONICS Aquila 2.4Ghz W/7CH RX                           Rs 10,699.00           rcdhamaha.co.in

anandtr2006

Quote from: utkarshg13 on January 15, 2014, 01:29:25 AM
Hello Anand,
You had been suggested by the right person(as above) :hatsoff: you should go with this :thumbsup: since as a beginner this is a very good tx with all necessary features at an affordable cost. Later on you could definitely go for advanced radios...
Do post pics of your ornithopter...

Rgds.
Thank you sir, for the reply. :hatsoff:

madaquif

try contacting rcbazaar PUNE and suri should help you

here is their number ...02065006575.


plz post pics of ur model ...this seems like a universal request  :giggle: :giggle:
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anandtr2006

hello madaquif,

i have just worked up the mechanism, with an ordinary toy motor.  ;D. Since i hail from a remote part of Kerala, i couldnt get access to brushless motor. I have narrowed down my requirements. once i get all the parts, i will surely post a video, let alone an image :). I am from a mechanical engineering background, so it is really difficult for me to get along with electronics.

anandtr2006

Yes, sir. Since all other units seem far from accessible, i guess i have to resort to the expensive ones. Can anyone tell me how do i post a video of the mechanism ?

anandtr2006

I have chosen to use  Wolfpack 2200mah 30c 11.1V  http://www.rcbazaar.com/products/2264-wolfpack-2200mah-30c-111v.aspx . this because the motor i chose Avionic C2830 KV850 QUAD brushless motor http://www.rcbazaar.com/products/1905-avionic-c2830-kv850-quad-brushless-motor.aspx  uses cells 2-4. the battery being lipo 3 cell in series, giving 11.1 v. Can i be sure it can fulfill all the requirements ? Also, there is no mention on the driving circuit of the motor, from my research of dc brushless motors, i have understood that it needs a driving circuit. Could anyone tell me the specific driving circuit for this particular motor ? :)

anandtr2006

or is the ESC of the motor same as the driving circuit ?  ??? ??? ???

utkarshg13

The motor that you are using could be paired up with a 20A ESC. I'll have to say that 2200mAh lipo would be a bit heavy for ornithopter...
"If you were born with wings, do every thing you could, for flying."

utkarshg13

you could check following websites for your radio.
quadkopters.com(out of stock but would be soon in stock)
edallhobby, rcproduct,rcbazaar, rcdhamaka, rcforall(muav.in), rcbharat
"If you were born with wings, do every thing you could, for flying."

anandtr2006

thank u utkarsh sir. i have come across beginner low cost Radio unit from these sites. Regarding the battery, should i opt a lighter battery ? wont it affect the performance then ? lesser mah rating ? battery specs say, it could work on 2 to 4 cells lipo. but mah rating is independent of the number of cells. any help ?  ;D also, any idea on the driving circuit ?

utkarshg13

See it depends on your design and weight of the ornithopter... i don't have much experience of these but yeah i'll have to say that 2200 mAh lipo is heavy. Also you could go for some low weight battery.. could be a 2S upto 1000mAh.
And please please.. don't call me sir. I am just 8 months old to this hobby. I am also a student from electronics discipline. There are many many people here who really deserve sir... but not i for sure...
moreover, i would like you to talk to arun.sreelakam... he has build a ornithopter recently.
"If you were born with wings, do every thing you could, for flying."

anandtr2006

thank u utkarsh bhai ( bhai would do, i suppose  ;D) i did see aruns ornithopter, will contact him.  :)

utkarshg13

Yeah of course.... i think after contacting arun all your queries would get solved... haa... he had also referred to i think Joydeep Bhowmik's blog i think... you should watch that video of his ornithopter cleo on youtube....
"If you were born with wings, do every thing you could, for flying."

anandtr2006

yes,,utkarsh bhai..will do  :) have  messaged him

utkarshg13

I wish you all the best... post the build log after completing your model and the pics and video too...
"If you were born with wings, do every thing you could, for flying."

utkarshg13

"If you were born with wings, do every thing you could, for flying."

anandtr2006

Is a low Kv rating or a high Kv rating more suitable for ornithopter use? if i want a flapping frequency of atleast 10 hz ?

anandtr2006

is the mAh rating important ? should i go fora high mAh rating..or a low mAh rating ? weight of the lipo battery goes on increasing with increase in mAh rating

arun.sreelakam

Mah rating is directly proportional to flight time.. more mah more flight time..
:)
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Shyam Hembram

2s is perfect and battery abt 1500-2000mah
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utkarshg13

The more is the mAh rating, more you get the flight time. A 2S lipo would be perfect for your ornithopter. Now, you just need to select one which is best suited for your model keeping weight in mind. 2S 1000 mAh could be an option...
"If you were born with wings, do every thing you could, for flying."