Choosing motors and the propellers for quadcopter

Started by ratuldas6, March 27, 2014, 10:17:37 PM

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utkarshg13

So you want a 6 channel radio. See, radio's come in variety of ranges. Your requirement is a 6 channel radio, then you should now decide how much you can invest. 6 channel radio's start from 2000 to above and come in programmable an non-programmable versions. Secondly, maximum websites are out of stock.
Also, I said to place an order for items just in case if things get out of stock then you'll be left with no option. So, if possible place an order and it is on you when you want to start with. Still, it is just a suggestion so it is on you.
"If you were born with wings, do every thing you could, for flying."

utkarshg13

So you want a 6 channel radio. See, radio's come in variety of ranges. Your requirement is a 6 channel radio, then you should now decide how much you can invest. 6 channel radio's start from 2000 to above and come in programmable an non-programmable versions. Secondly, maximum websites are out of stock.
Also, I said to place an order for items just in case if things get out of stock then you'll be left with no option. So, if possible place an order and it is on you when you want to start with. Still, it is just a suggestion so it is on you.
"If you were born with wings, do every thing you could, for flying."

utkarshg13

Sorry for posting it twice. Poor internet connection. :banghead: :banghead:
"If you were born with wings, do every thing you could, for flying."

maahinberi

Ratul,
This is a nice transmitter. It is one of the cheapest programmable transmitters you can find:
http://www.rcbazaar.com/products/2011-avionic-rcb6i-24ghz-6ch-transmitter-with-receiver.aspx

The problem is that it is out of stock. I would suggest you contact RCBazaar and check up when it will be back in stock.
Review of this transmitter by a fellow RCIndia members:
http://www.rcindia.org/radios-and-receivers/rcb6i-6ch-txrx-with-back-lit-screen-soon/msg155725/#msg155725

http://www.rcindia.org/radios-and-receivers/rcb6i-6ch-txrx-with-back-lit-screen-soon/msg155879/#msg155879


Getting a transmitter from an international site is a big headache. It might get stuck at customs and then you will have to obtain a WPC Clearance etc. etc. It's a tedious process.
The problem with buying a Transmitter from India is that they are almost all the time out of stock.
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maahinberi

That being said about budget radios, it is always better to go for a proper radio, because if you decide to stay in the hobby, you will soon need a transmitter that gives you more features. In that aspect the Turnigy 9X (Also, goes by the name Flysky TH9X) Is a very popular choice. Not only does it provide many features, it has 9 channels and is quite reasonably priced.

http://www.rcbazaar.com/products/397-fs-th9x-9ch-24ghz-transmitter-receiver.aspx

http://thehobbyshop.in/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=27_59&products_id=128

http://www.rcbharat.com/4ghz-systems/12-fly-sky-9ch-tx-rx.html

http://www.quadkopters.com/product/flysky-fs-th9x-2-4g-9ch-system-tx-rx/

Again, all out of stock....... :banghead: :banghead:

Another option is to order from abroad, with the risk that it might get stuck at customs. However, many people have been able to escape customs. I am not very sure of the exact procedure, but you basically search on Google for the WPC Clearance for the Turnigy 9X Transmitter and you send a soft copy of this to HobbyKing via LiveChat while ordering and ask them to include this clearance document along with the transmitter.
Other members would be able to help you better in this as I have personally never tried this.
http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__8992__Turnigy_9X_9Ch_Transmitter_w_Module_8ch_Receiver_Mode_2_v2_Firmware_CN_Warehouse_.html
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ratuldas6

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Quote from: maahinberi on April 02, 2014, 11:19:03 PM
Ratul,
This is a nice transmitter. It is one of the cheapest programmable transmitters you can find:
http://www.rcbazaar.com/products/2011-avionic-rcb6i-24ghz-6ch-transmitter-with-receiver.aspx

The problem is that it is out of stock. I would suggest you contact RCBazaar and check up when it will be back in stock.
Review of this transmitter by a fellow RCIndia members:
http://www.rcindia.org/radios-and-receivers/rcb6i-6ch-txrx-with-back-lit-screen-soon/msg155725/#msg155725

http://www.rcindia.org/radios-and-receivers/rcb6i-6ch-txrx-with-back-lit-screen-soon/msg155879/#msg155879


Getting a transmitter from an international site is a big headache. It might get stuck at customs and then you will have to obtain a WPC Clearance etc. etc. It's a tedious process.
The problem with buying a Transmitter from India is that they are almost all the time out of stock.

How is a WPC Clearance obtained?

rcrcnitesh

RCB6i will be in stock in the 2nd week of april
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maahinberi

I would suggest you make a new post with title "How to order a Transmitter from International Sites" on the forum. People will read the topic and be able to help you better. Also, if somebody needs help regarding this in future, they will be able to refer to that post.
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ratuldas6

Quote from: rcrcnitesh on April 05, 2014, 09:31:36 AM
RCB6i will be in stock in the 2nd week of april

Thanks a lot for the info. Will look forward to ordering them as soon as they are in stock.

Quote from: maahinberi on April 05, 2014, 10:10:21 AM
I would suggest you make a new post with title "How to order a Transmitter from International Sites" on the forum. People will read the topic and be able to help you better. Also, if somebody needs help regarding this in future, they will be able to refer to that post.

I would've done that, but there are a lot of problems. First of all, if the radio set comes from outside the borders, we have to deal with the customs. They are very unpredictable, from what I gather. Then, we have the WPC Clearance to obtain. These sorts of problems are encountered whenever one orders any electronic part from an international site.

utkarshg13

International order... be sure before ordering because issues such as customs, late deliveries would rise.  Also, tight security right now due to election.
"If you were born with wings, do every thing you could, for flying."

utkarshg13

"If you were born with wings, do every thing you could, for flying."

maahinberi

I think waiting for the Rcb6i will be a good decision. Nothing beats the price of that transmitter.

However, if you want an 8 channel transmitter, the following is available without a module:
http://www.rcproduct.in/-24ghz-turnigy-india/25-turnigy-9xr-transmitter-mode-2-no-module.html

To which you can add this module:
http://www.edallhobby.com/product.php?id_product=600
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maahinberi

In case you want a 9 channel radio, QuadKopters just got new stock of the FS TH9X
Order before stock runs out:
http://www.quadkopters.com/product/flysky-fs-th9x-2-4g-9ch-system-tx-rx/
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maahinberi

This Tx has a lot of features, and changeable module. Can be easily upgraded later, and is good value for money.
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utkarshg13

Yeah. quadkopters got two radio's in stock today. FS TH9X, FS T6. Place an order soon. I'd got both the radio's. Very nice both of them.
"If you were born with wings, do every thing you could, for flying."

ratuldas6

I am confused. The Rcb6i is not coming in stock. Somebody here told me that this Tx should be here by the 2nd week of April. But it looks as if the icon indicating the stock has crashed for my PC. Can anyone else check to see whether it works on their pc?

By the way, I looked up the FS-T6:
http://www.quadkopters.com/product/flysky-fs-t6-2-4ghz-6ch-transmitter-and-receiver/

The cost seems reasonable, but I need some reviews, if anyone here has ever used this Tx.

maahinberi

You're a little late, both flysky radios are again out of stock.
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utkarshg13

@ratuldas6- I have both flysky radios, FS TH9X as well as FS T6. I'd used both of them several times and will have to say that these are very good radios in the price they are available. Also, if you are new to RC then both will serve you as a good beginner radio. By this I mean, people usually don't want to invest much in expensive radios in beginning. So, these are the ones that will serve you the best according to me. Both radios are programmable ones with lots of features. The FS T6 comes with a backlight pre installed which makes it more attractive.
Still you have a choice to go to other brands that are little/too costly but yeah very good quality wise.
"If you were born with wings, do every thing you could, for flying."

ratuldas6

#68
I revised the whole setup. And here are the individual parts and their prices:

1> Frame - Wood / Metal / Carbon Fibre        - 200 (approx)
Aluminum (Motor-to-motor = 18 inches)

2> Flight controller                          - 2450
http://www.quadkopters.com/product/kk2-1-multi-rotor-lcd-flight-control-board-with-6050mpu-and-atmel-644pa/

2> 4 Motors                                   - 2380
http://www.rcdhamaka.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=100_93&products_id=391

3> 4 ESCs                                     - 2636
http://www.rcdhamaka.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=100_95&products_id=1113

4> 8 Propellers - 4CW, 4CCW (spares included) - 1200
http://www.quadkopters.com/product/sf-propeller-104-5-sf104-5-orange/
http://www.quadkopters.com/product/sf-propeller-104-5-sf104-5-green/

5> 4 plastic balls for landing gear           - 20

6> Power Distribution Board                   - 330
http://www.quadkopters.com/product/xt60-to-4-x-3-5mm-bullet-power-breakout-cable/

7> Machine screws (galvanised)                - 50

8> Super Glue                                 - --

9> Battery (3S 11.1V)                         - 2050
http://www.quadkopters.com/product/qk-lipo-3300mah-11-1v-25c50c/

10>Battery Charger                            - 550
http://www.quadkopters.com/product/b3ac-charger/

11>Male to Male Serlo Lead                    - 300
http://www.quadkopters.com/product/male-to-male-servo-lead-jr-3cm-10pcs/

12>Receiver and Transmitter                   - 3900
http://www.quadkopters.com/product/flysky-fs-t6-2-4ghz-6ch-transmitter-and-receiver/

Now, the total is Rs 16066. What is the thrust generated by these motors? Does anyone here have a good estimated value in grams?



docnayeem

If am not mistaken the max prop by recommendation for that motor is 9*6 ... And the one you have chosen is 10*4 ... Its gonna draw more power or burn the motor .... Kindly check

SideWinder

You will get max 700g thrust on a 9" prop with 3s lipo ( ). Since you are going for 8" props you can expect 600-650g thrust. This thrust is at max throttle. So your quad should be below 700gms approx to achieve liftoff at half throttle.

My suggestions would be go for a smaller battery like 2200mah and keep motor to motor distance to 12-13".

Similarly some items you selected are not available at the moment such as motors,radio. And link to Esc's is incorrect, but Im assuming they are 20amp esc's.

utkarshg13

My suggestion is try to keep the weight as less as possible. A 3300mAh battery would give you a longer flight time but will add almost an extra 150gm to your model(as compared to a normal 2200mAh). So, it is better to go for a smaller battery and try keeping the weight as minimum as possible.
Motors you have mentioned are approx. 650-700gm thrust as quoted above. These motors are very good ones. Just ensure you don't loose the grub screw etc.
Also, go for a 8X4.5 prop only because 1045 would burn your motor(since recommended is 9")
:hatsoff:
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maahinberi

I am using these motors with 10x4.5 props:
http://www.quadkopters.com/product/221213-1000kv-brushless-outrunner-motor-with-mount/

The page says 850 grams but everywhere on the net people say that it produces around 750-800 grams with a 10x4.5.

My quad weighs 900grams, motor to motor (diagonal, from one motor to opposite motor) distance is 550mm.
Hovers at slightly less than half throttle. I fly using a 2200mah 3s battery, 8 minutes flight time.


These also seem like very good motors:
http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__12921__D2830_11_1000kv_Brushless_Motor.html

They will easily run a 10x4.5 and will give you about 850grams of thrust. Order them using Air mail and it shouldn't cost you too much, though you will have to wait 12-14 days for shipping time.
With these, you can easily carry the bigger battery.
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ratuldas6

Quote from: docnayeem on April 27, 2014, 10:33:47 AM
If am not mistaken the max prop by recommendation for that motor is 9*6 ... And the one you have chosen is 10*4 ... Its gonna draw more power or burn the motor .... Kindly check

What is the best propeller for this motor? I thought that this propeller was good until I checked it on Drive Calculator. It says "Select Smaller Prop" and the maximum current drawn was more that the batteries could handle. Thanks for that though, I could've started buying the materials and then realized that I had made a bad mistake.  :hatsoff:

Quote from: SideWinder on April 27, 2014, 10:53:56 AM
You will get max 700g thrust on a 9" prop with 3s lipo ( ). Since you are going for 8" props you can expect 600-650g thrust. This thrust is at max throttle. So your quad should be below 700gms approx to achieve liftoff at half throttle.

My suggestions would be go for a smaller battery like 2200mah and keep motor to motor distance to 12-13".

Similarly some items you selected are not available at the moment such as motors,radio. And link to Esc's is incorrect, but Im assuming they are 20amp esc's.

I am not sure which propeller to take as people are saying that 10*4.5 props would burn the ESCs. I am looking for a good propeller to use with the motor that I have mentioned.

How much flight time would a 2200mah battery give me with the aforementioned motors?

Yes, I checked my message and saw that the link for the ESCs led to the motors. I just edited the message, and the link is fixed now.

Quote from: utkarshg13 on April 27, 2014, 11:56:34 AM
My suggestion is try to keep the weight as less as possible. A 3300mAh battery would give you a longer flight time but will add almost an extra 150gm to your model(as compared to a normal 2200mAh). So, it is better to go for a smaller battery and try keeping the weight as minimum as possible.
Motors you have mentioned are approx. 650-700gm thrust as quoted above. These motors are very good ones. Just ensure you don't loose the grub screw etc.
Also, go for a 8X4.5 prop only because 1045 would burn your motor(since recommended is 9")
:hatsoff:

How much time would a 2200mah battery give?
Need some links for 8*4.5 props.

Quote from: maahinberi on April 27, 2014, 02:39:30 PM
I am using these motors with 10x4.5 props:
http://www.quadkopters.com/product/221213-1000kv-brushless-outrunner-motor-with-mount/

The page says 850 grams but everywhere on the net people say that it produces around 750-800 grams with a 10x4.5.

My quad weighs 900grams, motor to motor (diagonal, from one motor to opposite motor) distance is 550mm.
Hovers at slightly less than half throttle. I fly using a 2200mah 3s battery, 8 minutes flight time.


These also seem like very good motors:
http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__12921__D2830_11_1000kv_Brushless_Motor.html

They will easily run a 10x4.5 and will give you about 850grams of thrust. Order them using Air mail and it shouldn't cost you too much, though you will have to wait 12-14 days for shipping time.
With these, you can easily carry the bigger battery.

I heard that ordering from international warehouses is a lot of trouble. So, I am trying to find a good propeller to go with EMAX CF2822.
I am sort of disappointed that the model won't be able to carry 3300mah with these motors.


utkarshg13

Hi ratul,
2200mAh will give you around 5-7 minute flying time. It depend actually on the weight. Minimum is the weight more is the flight time. Because, if your quad would take off at 60-70% throttle that means for keeping it in air you need to give atleast that much continuously. So, that will eat up your battery. If you can keep the AUW(all up weight) somewhere around 900-1200 gm then you can go for a 3300mAh too. It would give around 10 min. flight time.
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