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Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 04, 2012, 08:01:34 PM
finally my HK order arrived today and i thought i would begin with my build log. i am also planning to compile a quadcopter guide with all the information from this and many other guides i follow regarding the HK multi rotor board. i have ordered two boards one for this build and the other for the V22 Osprey Build log (this uses the V2.1 board). let me start by stating my specifications then some pictures and i shall resume the log on friday since i am leaving tomorrow for manipal for my counselling there.

Specifications

Frame - 1 X Hobbyking Quadcopter Frame 680mm (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=20947 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=20947))

Motor - 4 X NTM Prop Drive 28-26 1000KV / 315W (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=21478 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=21478))

ESC   -  4 X Hobbyking SS Series 25-30A ESC (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=6460 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=6460))

Battery - 2 X Turnigy 2200mAh 3S 20C Lipo Pack (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=8932 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=8932))

Propeller - 2 X 9x5 standard and counter-rotating props (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=11323 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=11323))
                                                                          (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=11322 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=11322))

Controller Board and accessories- 1 X HobbyKing Multi-Rotor Control Board V3.0 (Atmega328 PA) (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=21977 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=21977))
                       1 X USBasp AVR Programming Device for ATMEL proccessors (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=21321 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=21321))
                       1 X 3cm Male to Male Servo Lead 26AWG (10pcs/set) (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=23036 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=23036))

Radio - Airtronics RDS8000 (http://www.rcdhamaka.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=225 (http://www.rcdhamaka.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=225))

some pictures

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Pikle6/quadcopter/20120604_132349.jpg)(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Pikle6/quadcopter/IMAG0232.jpg)
(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Pikle6/quadcopter/20120604_140452.jpg)(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Pikle6/quadcopter/20120604_140515.jpg)
(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Pikle6/quadcopter/20120604_140534.jpg)(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Pikle6/quadcopter/20120604_192403.jpg)
(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Pikle6/quadcopter/20120604_140432.jpg)(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Pikle6/quadcopter/IMAG0231.jpg)

Subbu
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on June 04, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
good stuff bro :thumbsup: where are you in Navi Mumbai from??
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: hyd_quads on June 04, 2012, 08:35:32 PM
It seems SatyaGupta is always on the lookout for quads... :D
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on June 04, 2012, 08:39:06 PM
Quote from: hyd_quads on June 04, 2012, 08:35:32 PM
It seems SatyaGupta is always on the lookout for quads... :D
:giggle: :giggle:
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 04, 2012, 08:41:33 PM
Quote from: satyagupta on June 04, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
good stuff bro :thumbsup: where are you in Navi Mumbai from??
hi i am in CBD Belapur

Subbu
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satz flying on June 04, 2012, 08:51:33 PM
 :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on June 04, 2012, 08:55:50 PM
Quote from: Pikle6 on June 04, 2012, 08:41:33 PM
hi i am in CBD Belapur

Cool :thumbsup: :thumbsup: i am from New Panvel, i have been working on quad from last 2 months. I got it working but now it kinds of giving problem but am fine tuning it.. Anyways good luck with your quad, and do keep posting the build log :)
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 04, 2012, 09:06:00 PM
Quote from: satz flying on June 04, 2012, 08:51:33 PM
:o :o :o :o :o
guess christmas came early this year for me  ;D

satyagupta i used to study in 12th standard in dav new panvel till this year

for the wiring please refer

(http://i635.photobucket.com/albums/uu71/Pikle6/Quadrotor/final-1.png)

http://www.rcindia.org/multirotors/quadrotor-wiring-for-hk-multirotor-v3-board/ (http://www.rcindia.org/multirotors/quadrotor-wiring-for-hk-multirotor-v3-board/)

Subbu
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: hyd_quads on June 05, 2012, 07:54:28 AM
Quote from: Pikle6 on June 04, 2012, 09:06:00 PM
i used to study in 12th standard in dav new panvel till this year

Me in DAV Hyderabad. ;D
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on June 05, 2012, 08:32:57 AM
[Admin Note]Unnecessary long "quote" edited...

Quote from: Pikle6 on June 04, 2012, 09:06:00 PM
satyagupta i used to study in 12th standard in dav new panvel till this year

Ahh nice.. thats like 3-4 mins walk away from my house is stay Near Shabari hotel
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 08, 2012, 09:04:37 AM
rough mock up of the frame (not glued)

Subbu
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 12, 2012, 11:37:23 PM
i finished most of the build part of the quad these last few days

after discussion with sushil uncle opted for CA as the preferred glue for the frame. then finished gluing the frame together.

Sandeep uncle helped me finish soldering the connectors onto the ESC and batteries.

only the twin parallel battery to quad ESC power harness needs to be finished and the frames motor mounts to be modified to accept the X mounts that came with the motors. after the concern that satyagupta mentioned about the frame i have decided to insert in 2 10mm CF tubes through the design holes in the frame arm supports in an X fashion

photos of frame and electronics setup attached

Subbu
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: sandeepm on June 13, 2012, 11:22:38 AM
Good Luck for your build...
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 20, 2012, 09:16:06 AM
hi guys i recently burnt one esc of the quad is it advisable to put in a different esc in the same current range or should i buy a new one


Subbu
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Dharmik on June 20, 2012, 11:23:05 AM
It is good to have all escs same else motors won't start in sync. It will affect stability.
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 20, 2012, 11:25:26 AM
thanks dharmik i am ordering 4 red brick 25 A esc from rcelectro since HK will take a lot of time for the replacement unless someone here at rcindia has a spare lying around

subbu
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Dharmik on June 20, 2012, 11:35:02 AM
That's great bro. Get good quality programable ESCs. And make sure motor to esc and esc to battery connections don't short in any case, it will immediately burn esc and motor within seconds and you won't get chance to disconnect battery. Don't use tape or anything like that as a temporary setup.
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 20, 2012, 01:07:06 PM
hey dharmik i have a programming card but other than low cut-off setting change did you make any other changes in your quad


Subbu
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Dharmik on June 20, 2012, 03:32:33 PM
I have set mine
low voltage cut-off
ni-mh
reduced power
switched between 8kH to 16kH(i don't see any difference in performance)
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 20, 2012, 06:29:14 PM
so i guess that there is a change in the specifications of the controller board

Control Board - https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=24723 (https://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=24723)

i have also begun with the modifications required to mount the motors with the stock x mount by adding an extra piece of balsa to elevate the mount and fit the complete x mount


Subbu
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 22, 2012, 04:55:14 PM
it took 13 days but the biggest part of the quad has arrived from hk its the mammoth

4000mAh 3s 11.1V 30c Turnigy Lipo (i just paid 4$ for shipping and nothing else as i bought it using store credit  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D)

do have a look at the pictures

Subbu

ps. the lcd kk2 multi rotor board was shipped yesterday and this time through hong kong post so should probably reach earlier

Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Rakesh Rajpurohit on June 22, 2012, 05:20:31 PM
hi...subbu, how much u spend for ths full package...!!:)
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 22, 2012, 05:37:35 PM
the total price of the present configuration is 148.32$ about 8157.6 Rs EXCLUDING shipping (i chose ems for most parts and registered post for fc board and battery)

present specification

Frame - 1 X Hobbyking Quadcopter Frame 680mm http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=20947 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=20947)

Motor - 4 X NTM Prop Drive 28-26 1000KV / 315W http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=21478 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=21478)

ESC   -  4 X Hobbyking SS Series 25-30A ESC http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=6460 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=6460)

Battery - 1 X Turnigy 4000mAh 3S 30C Lipo Pack http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9510 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9510)

Propeller - 2 X 9x5 standard and counter-rotating props http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=11323 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=11323)
                                                                           http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=11322 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=11322)

Controller Board and accessories- 1 X Hobbyking KK2.0 Multi-rotor LCD Flight Control Board http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=24723 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=24723)                       

                        1 X USBasp AVR Programming Device for ATMEL proccessors http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=21321 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=21321)
                        1 X 3cm Male to Male Servo Lead 26AWG (10pcs/set) http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=23036 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=23036)

Radio - Airtronics RDS8000 http://www.rcdhamaka.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=225 (http://www.rcdhamaka.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=225)


Subbu
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 26, 2012, 05:23:05 PM
there were concerns raised about the quad frame i got from hobbyking regarding vibrations and also the motor mounts had to be modified for mounting of motor and the motor mounts were not perfectly parallel to the ground. the first idea was to reinforce the frame with carbon fibre rods and that seemed to work pretty good but i wanted a sturdier frame.

so i went to the local plywood shop got  1.5' spars of 1cm thick plywood and the centre plates and motor mounts cut out of beautiful orange patterned acrylic sheets.

the total span of the quadcopter now is 940mm

(moderators could you kindly rename the topic to Quadcopter 940mm (HK multi-rotor board V3) Build Log)

a few pics have been attached

Subbu
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on June 26, 2012, 05:30:07 PM
That will be a sturdy frame :thumbsup:
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 26, 2012, 05:31:36 PM
thanks satyagupta for your advice regarding the hk frame i am feeling confident looking at the frame itself


Subbu
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on June 26, 2012, 05:54:18 PM
Quote from: Pikle6 on June 26, 2012, 05:31:36 PM
thanks satyagupta for your advice regarding the hk frame i am feeling confident looking at the frame itself

You are always welcome buddy :) :) :thumbsup:

BTW whats the weight of the frame (just arms and mounting plates)??
Title: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 27, 2012, 10:57:35 PM
hi guys the monsoon is finally doing some catching up this week, rains are much more frequent now. and the gloom has caught up with me too. feeling a lot lazy these days.

onto the update the frame is all done and motor mounts marked out for cutting and drilling tomorrow.

now onto the big question, i want to be realistic here the frame weight is about 600 -700 gms and the thrust at full throttle is about 0.632gms from each motor and i shall be using a 4000mAh 30c 11.1v turnigy lipo which is another monster, what do you guys think will it take off from the ground ?.

as i see it it should hover but not much altitude and flight time. i shall be going ahead with the present setup anyway since i am planning to use this frame as a platform for aerial photography. if needed (which i sincerely feel i will) i shall upgrade the power system.

i have used this motor with a 9x5 prop on my yak55 and it can make it go vertical. the yak with the new plywood frame restructuring weighs about 800 - 1000 gms with the battery so such performance makes me wonder about its performance on the quad if it shall succeed or not.

kindly let me know the pros and cons of this setup and how i could help manage its weight. also it being a 315W motor vibration may kill the stability of the quad too. i would like to have all experts on board onn this build.

the first pro which i shall add is the frame is super strong and very adaptable (and i really want to use this frame :))

i shall weigh in all the suggestions and proceed ahead (And literally weigh in all the parts on a scale too). attached are a couple of pictures

Subbu

it shall be unfair if i did not mention it here my friend HarshVardhan helped me a lot (and i mean a lot) during this and my hovercraft build for which i shall be ever grateful  :)
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: yogeshkannan on June 28, 2012, 01:46:16 AM
awesome frame bro :)  :salute: (:|~
good luck with the build ;;
gonna upgrade my quad pvc frames to aluminium frames . :giggle:
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on June 28, 2012, 08:57:31 AM
Yo bro good going, couple of things to help you out..

When you said:
Quoteframe weight is about 600 -700 gms and the thrust at full throttle is about 0.632gms

You mean 600-700 gms including electronics battery everything of just frame (arms and plates) no electronics mounted over it?? If it just frame then buddy you have to reduce a lot of weight (of the frame :giggle:) with my first build my frame weighted 600 grams just 4 x 1 feet aluminum arms and 2 x 5 mm plys and it was complete failure.. :(

I had to rework on the frame for the complete reduction of weight. Couple of advices to reduce frame weight,

Drill holes in your arms, remove unwanted portion of your plates.. that might help a lot..

Now lets talk about the thrust, you get 0.632 Kg ( i am sure you meant 0.632 Kg not 0.632 gms :giggle: ) so you get this at full throttle, so at full throttle your quad will get a total thrust of 600 gms x 4 that will be ~2.4 Kg which is not bad at all.

But here is what i have read a lot and got the same advice here on RCI too, your quad should lift of or hover at 1/3 rd throttle. i.e. if you throttle has complete 12 steps (as an example) after moving your throttle stick 4 steps your quad should lift of the ground.

Lets do some maths,
with 1/3rd throttle your motors will generate 1/3rd of the total thrust which is 600/3 = 200 gms
Now at 1/3rd throttle all motors will generate 200gm x 4 ie ~800 gms of thrust..

So the bottom line is your quad has to be less than 800 gms to make this work.. To begin with if you quad lifts off at 50% of throttle then that is also considered a good thing. But for hovering or aerial photography you need quad to lift off at 1/3 rd throttle. 

So we need to increase the thrust you can try with large prop 1047, even i started with 0905 props but faced problems with hovering my quad. But with 1047 props i get a very decent lift off at 1/3rd of the throttle. But then you have to buy new props, if you are not looking to buy new things until you get a decent flight (which i did) try to reduce weight of your quad.. Call me up if you have any issues ;)
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Dharmik on June 28, 2012, 12:19:33 PM
Bro i am wondering how it reached to 700 grams with just 4 arms, 2 plates and 8 nut-bolts. I agree with satya bro, you will have to reduce weight to half atleast. I did quick calculations
4x 60grams motors = 240grams say 250
4x 25grams esc = 100 grams
1 x battery = 350 grams
other misc things = 200 grams
Total = 900grams + 700grams = 1600grams(excluding AP stuff)
If you see famous ht fpv frame used by justine(juz70), it has 350grams weight
http://www.hoverthings.com/htfpvblack.html
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on June 28, 2012, 12:28:52 PM
Bro carfon fiber.. they are very light and sturdy...

I have replaced my 5 mm plys used for plates with carbon fiber.

Even 1 mm thick CF plates looks very sturdy.. Very very hard to cut.. and some care to be taken while cutting
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 28, 2012, 01:03:02 PM
hi dharmik and satya so i have some breaking news ;D ;D

the frame weighs exactly 475 gms

and the complete electronics weigh exactly 745 gms

i just went to a nearby grocery store and weighed them in i am attaching some pictures too kindly note there was a zero error on the weighing machine of 40gms so i had to reduce it from the total weight

now i believe i just have to reduce the weight of the frame by a little bit to bring it to about 350 - 300 gms max which i can achieve by reduce the length of the arms of the quad by a few inches on each arm.

spoke to satyagupta and got come ideas on how to reduce the weight few ideas are to reduce arm length and cut off the centre plate excess parts

i also need landing gear ideas(more weight  :banghead: :banghead:)


Subbu

pic 1 frame only weight

pic 2 electronics only weight (battery fc board motors esc and even some male to male cables)
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on June 28, 2012, 01:50:45 PM
I think your target should be to get the weight to around 800-900 gms which i guess can be reduced by reducing the extra length of arms, drilling holes on them.
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 30, 2012, 04:08:40 PM
hi guys i got the replacement esc from gusty bhaiya today now all the electronics are ready to go

thanks gusty bhaiya

Subbu

ps my mtnl connection has stopped opening any websites due to some dns resolving error so using the background reliance modem
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: rcpilotacro on June 30, 2012, 04:42:50 PM
You are welcome subbu, would like to see it fly
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on July 03, 2012, 04:40:42 PM
so after working on it for 2 days i managed to bring the weight down to 272 gms but the arms are a bit flimsy so reverting to 1cm thickness arms with smaller length and holes in frame to reduce the weight further

Subbu
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on July 03, 2012, 04:49:56 PM
Good stuff.. frame looks good.. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: hyd_quads on July 03, 2012, 09:42:57 PM
Quote from: Pikle6 on June 04, 2012, 08:01:34 PM
Motor - 4 X NTM Prop Drive 28-26 1000KV / 315W (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=21478 (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=21478))

I've been follwing the thread but it's the first time I'm seeing this. :banghead: . I've been eyeing these motors for my next quad. I'm eagerly waiting to replace my rather crappy dt700s ( hardly 130W) with the 315W NTM2826s. Please post the videos and any motor performance data after you finish. Thanks,

Vineet
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on July 04, 2012, 08:27:54 AM
Quote from: hyd_quads on July 03, 2012, 09:42:57 PMcrappy dt700s

Why bro?? why crappy?? ??? ??? have heard a lot of good reviews about it and highly recommended for quads... please share your experience dude it would help a lot (like me) who are planning to use DT700 or DT750 for their quad..

Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: hyd_quads on July 04, 2012, 03:23:51 PM
Quote from: satyagupta on July 04, 2012, 08:27:54 AM
Why bro?? why crappy?? ??? ???
It's absolutely my personal opinion. I had bought them because they were being hailed as the verymotors for quads.
Although thier performance is fine, I feel their build quality is not. As far as build (and build quality) is concerned, I think multirotor motors should have a short shaft and long wires. Longer the shaft, more the vibrations. Althogh the shaft can be cut, I need dremel for that. Perhaps, nowadays, these features are becoming characteristic features of multirotor motors. And the mount too. The holes are located in a triangular arrangement, and most of us prefer two-hole mounting for quads. (atleast I do) So the holes cannot be perfectly linear while mounting. Considerign this, I feel x-mounts are better.
Consider all these, I think parkflyer-type motors are better, like the NTM2826 1000kv. (pikle6 aka Subbu uses them on his quad). I'm waiting for more reviews on that motor.

But it seems I'm the only not satisfied with dt700/750s. There should be a reason why everyone likes them. I'm still searching for that. :)
Also, I think my frame is also crappy (at 400+ grams), so I'm rebuilding it with lighter fiberglass and 2channel aluminium.
Vineet
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: anwar on July 04, 2012, 04:13:36 PM
Quote from: Pikle6 on June 30, 2012, 04:08:40 PM
ps my mtnl connection has stopped opening any websites due to some dns resolving error so using the background reliance modem

Offtopic, but this may be useful.  I realized that my home DSL connection from BSNL was acting up.  A little looking around proved that the connection was there and it was fast, only the DNS servers used by BSNL were overloaded.  Browsing anything by IP was instantaneous.  So I reconfigured my DSL modem/router to use OpenDNS's DNS servers, but they were also acting up from time to time (not sure if this was BSNL interfering, or if OpenDNS itself had issues).  A little more reading proved that our friendly neighborhood "Do No Evil" company (Google) was providing DNS service, and their servers were very fast.  So if you are having DNS issues, please try these 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4.  That is, if you are willing to trust Google... the big brother ;)
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on July 05, 2012, 10:44:57 AM
finally finished the frame going with the 10mm thickness ply arms will go ahead and reduce the weight from the frame after i put on the electronics now.

some pics i know the frame is a bit overweight but i will find some way to reduce its weight further since i cannot reuce the thickness of the arms anymore or else the become very flimsy


Subbu
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on July 05, 2012, 04:29:40 PM
so the motors are mounted, escs connected, fc board battery and rx all ready to roll but then i remember of the battery harness for the esc's and battery just working on it right now should be done in an hour.

sea trials begin (hopefully) tomorrow  ;) :)

Subbu
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on July 05, 2012, 05:10:56 PM
great let us know the the test flight results... :thumbsup: all the best
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: raja_mastana on July 05, 2012, 05:34:45 PM
All the best Subbu, great effort!!  {:)}
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Dharmik on July 06, 2012, 01:23:11 PM
Pikle bro have you tried KK2.0? I heard auto-level is bit tricky to tune in this version.
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on July 06, 2012, 04:35:24 PM
hey dharmik yes you can either change the p and i gain values in the self leveling menu or you just keep calibrating the sensors (its automatic) until you get a true zero point

that however is out of the question since my arms vibrate like hell when i power them on i desperately need better mounting ideas for mounting a motor with a downwards protruding shaft onto a plywood arm please help


Subbu
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Dharmik on July 06, 2012, 04:51:05 PM
I think your frame is fine but this board is very sensitive to vibrations.
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on July 06, 2012, 05:13:44 PM
dharmik i never even mounted the kk2 board yet so no problem with the sensitivity there

the static full throttle rpm without props generates a lot of vibrations all transmitted to the central plate with refrain me from mounting the board without solving the motor vibrations issue please suggest some way i could get rid of them should i use aluminium arms or any other suggestion would be helpful

Subbu
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Dharmik on July 06, 2012, 06:08:09 PM
I am using cricket bat grip and it works perfectly. No more vibration issue.
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on July 06, 2012, 09:08:23 PM
a few minutes ago satyagupta suggested on the phone that i try spooling all the motors up instead of one through the k22 board and guess what happened

at full throttle the quad became almost vibration free (i dont know the reason why but i believe it could be due to all the vibrations cancelling out each other) and that was the sweetest moment in the whole build log till now.

dont worry guys i got the photos and the video of it starting up and working superbly ( on the ground  ;D )

i just made a makeshift battery harness with polycab wires and local screw on connectors and it worked great but i am going to replace them preferably before the first flight.

viewer discretion is advised since the initial prototype of the quad without proper wiring may scare you but the performance will more than suffice for the flaw.

and finally the quad as of now weighs exactly 1076 gms - AUW

video is being uploaded might take some time but it will be done today, and so tomorrow the sea trials can successfully begin  

Subbu
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on July 06, 2012, 09:13:49 PM
As i had said before :) alls good now :) waiting for your maiden flight :D
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on July 06, 2012, 11:54:31 PM
i almost forgot about the landing gear guys i am using simple foam blocks as landing gears on this one to begin with and later with upgrades like motors and frame i will go for a better landing gear. will post some pictures tomorrow. and satya maiden will probably happen on monday.

as of now its time to enjoy the video with exquisite music from john mayer - 'GRAVITY'

the first line of this song goes like this - Gravity, its working against me - now i have felt similar when my planes have crashed  ;) :) (how about you guys)

anyway enjoy the video (anwar bhaiya is there a way to embed videos in their original aspect ratio)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soxu2q3kgHI

Subbu
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: hyd_quads on September 13, 2012, 03:51:43 PM
Sorry for the bump guys, but I have a doubt about these NTM 2826 motors.

I received mine yesterday and I see that the bolt-on prop adapter fits on the opposite side of the shaft and the mount fits on the lower portion of the motor (as it should be). So I have a prop adapter facing upwards and a mount on the lower part of the motor, BUT the shaft is facing down too!?!? I know it is the prop adapter where I'll be connecting the props, but there's a long shaft spinning below the motor? ???
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on September 13, 2012, 04:00:05 PM
yes... bro i know that, and i really hate that but thats how it comes :( you have to drill hole in your motor mount. Or you can change the shaft direction if you want, you have ordered accessories then you would have got the other shaft along with it. :headscratch:
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: hyd_quads on September 13, 2012, 04:35:27 PM
Hmm, may be they've designed the motor with the shaft protruding outwards to reduce vibes.. :scratchhead: But I like these better than my older motors.
yeah, I've ordered an accessory pack, but no extra shafts.

How do I change the shaft direction?
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: SunLikeStar on September 13, 2012, 04:42:12 PM
To change shaft direction (usually) you have to remove any c-clips on the motor shaft, loose two hex screw on the motor bell which hold the shaft, then use a hammer to tap the shaft out through the other side.
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: hyd_quads on September 13, 2012, 04:50:42 PM
Thanks a lot. I'll give it a try. :)
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on September 13, 2012, 04:54:28 PM
Ya thats how its done, just be careful with e-clips i had a hard time putting them back :(
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: hyd_quads on September 13, 2012, 05:03:19 PM
Yeah, they seem to be very delicate and small. Or I guess I'll leave it the way it is. ;)
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on September 13, 2012, 05:24:48 PM
Thats what i did :giggle:
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: rajibcic on September 13, 2012, 06:55:16 PM
hi i hv also baught kk20 board.but i dnt know hw to auto level or calibrate.pls tell me
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: hyd_quads on September 13, 2012, 07:43:00 PM
Quote from: satyagupta on September 13, 2012, 05:24:48 PM
Thats what i did :giggle:
:D
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on September 13, 2012, 08:48:47 PM
Quote from: rajibcic on September 13, 2012, 06:55:16 PM
hi i hv also baught kk20 board.but i dnt know hw to auto level or calibrate.pls tell me

Rajibic you have to connect aux input of the KK2.0 board to radio channel on which you have switch, To calibrate your board read the instructions that is provided in the board itself.
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: rajibcic on September 13, 2012, 09:39:29 PM
so i hv to connect aux of control board with receiver.then
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on September 14, 2012, 08:23:04 AM
Yes... but to the channel which has switch (ON-OFF types)
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: rajibcic on September 14, 2012, 08:28:38 AM
hw do i knw which channel has on off types
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on September 14, 2012, 08:31:42 AM
test it, first 4 are the AIL,ELE,THR and RUDDER rest of the channels should be it. Besides there is a receiver test option in board as well, you can use that to test which channel is responding to switch..
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Dharmik on September 14, 2012, 08:53:11 AM
Which radio you are using?
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: rajibcic on September 14, 2012, 09:53:33 AM
FLYSKY 6CH
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: satyagupta on September 14, 2012, 11:27:00 AM
I guess both channel 5 and 6 have switch so try any one of them :)
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Dharmik on September 14, 2012, 12:05:08 PM
Here it is
http://rcsci.blogspot.in/2012/07/kk20-accelerometer-aux-channel-setup.html
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 04, 2013, 08:43:49 PM
Ok so after all the frames and the control boards this is what it has come to. the following are the final specifications i intend to use

Frame - talon v2
Motors - 4 x DT750
sc - 4 x HK SS 25-30A (gusty bhaiya thanks for the esc  :) )
Battery - 2200 / 4000 mAh 3s 25c turniny lipo
Control board - KK2 Multirotor board
HK power distribution board
Props- 11x4.7 (still need to get these (Sujit bhaiya do you have any extra spare props from your quad)  ) (any local source is welcome too)

I had one question in mind I wanted to increase the length of the wire's on esc going to the motors, now I know that using the Silicon wire is recommended but it is hard to find here nearby so can I use the normal copper wire which is available locally (of similar gauge) provided I get a good enough joint. So once that problem is solved I guess then I shall be ready to roll.

Attached are a few pictures of the quad as of tonight

Subbu
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: raja_mastana on June 04, 2013, 08:54:18 PM
I have both 11x4.7 props and 16AWG silicone wires .... no issues
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on June 04, 2013, 09:09:03 PM
thanks sujit bhaiya can i come over and collect it tomorrow morning or evening


Subbu
Title: Re: Quadcopter build log with HK multi-rotor board V3
Post by: Pikle6 on July 17, 2013, 09:52:36 PM
finally got the time to edit and upload my quad's flight video. i guess that sums up the rather discontinous build log here. do watch in 1080p HD.
:) :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0HHPdCNTHA

Subbu