According to Google Translation

Check the attachment...i hope some one Understand after Translation in HINDI.

"अधिकार और उपयोग के लिए लाइसेंस?"

@mbt what it means is OWNING it and/or using it for any purpose

Quote from: yashodhanp on September 16, 2013, 07:38:27 PM
@mbt what it means is OWNING it and/or using it for any purpose

That means, after getting type approval of the equipment, bombs also can be launched   

HAhhaa...

Please note "AND" n "OR" big difference between them...

you can think what is the meaning of OWNING...from customs...what i say every time...
You must read every WORD to WORD bcoz...this is Our GOVT DOCUMENT....

@  kumardasai ...Please read again WPC This Question.

"What are the license- free bands? What are the wireless products that are exempted from licensing for possession and use? "

even if you have that radio equipment as a showpiece in your house it has to be type approved, and if you decide to use it, then also it needs to be type approved, and if you decide to keep it as a show piece and also use it then also type approval is needed.

@mbt1370:- I had a huge conversation with below designated officer,

Deputy Commissioner of Customs,
Postal Appraising Section,
Foreign Post Office, Mumbai.

He is clearly saying, that 2.4 Ghz is allowed in india, but type approval for the equipment is mandatory. Freequency and Type approvals are two different things. Type approval for the equipment clearly states all the information about the effective radiation power.

that i do not decide...
that is already mention on WPC...not my RULE...

Quote from: Shannon on September 16, 2013, 07:35:23 PM
Ok so clearance for tx is a must fine agreed... Y has heli kits n plane kits having no radio oon board have to go through this wpc clearance....how does tht affect wpc...

Bro that is Key Hole....that they are already mention that you can get your radio Without any WPC approval...

Bcoz they already declare this is free to use...

Just think once again...if we must need approval for this 2.4 GHZ then why they declare this is License free for use and possession.

You must Note the meaning of word  "possession" ..

Application to get the type approval. Let me know, if anybody needs this latest application. Admin, Its not allowing me to attach word documents here..

Government of India
Ministry of Communications & IT
Department of Telecommunications
WPC Wing

Sanchar Bhavan
J 22022/01/2007-WF                                           New Delhi-110001.
Dated: 1st February, 2007

MEMORANDUM

Sub:  Application for Equipment Type Approval  -  Guidelines


   All equipments/devices which work in the de-licenced  frequency bands,  shall be type approved and designed and constructed in such a manner that the bandwidth of emission, power and other parameters shall conform to the limits specified various notifications in this regard.     

2.   For out door applications, in case the top of Antenna is more than 5 metres beyond the existing roof top, then clearance of this antenna site is required to be approved by  the  Standing Advisory Committee on Frequency Allocations (SACFA),  and clearance obtained accordingly.  For this, requisite application is to be submitted separately, using the on-line facility. 
 
3.   The application for obtaining equipment type approval shall be made to the Wireless Adviser to Govt. of India, 6th Floor, Sanchar Bhavan, New Delhi-110001 in the format available in the website.  .

4.   The application should be submitted along with a complete copy of Radio Test report (RF test report) carried out on the product, from an accredited test laboratory, containing details of the following.

a.    Measurement of peak radiated power  or eirp
b.    Measurement of peak power spectral  density. 
c.   Measurement of 6dB and 20dB. Bandwidth
d.   Measurement of frequency range  and details of channels
e.   Measurement showing behaviour of edge channels.
f.   Measurement of spurious/harmonic emissions (conducted and radiated )  in different frequency bands .   
g.   Other details such as peak excursion, measurement uncertainty, test set up, details of power settings facility etc.
h.   Details of antenna systems compatible to be used with the device under test.

5.   The above tests are  required to be supported by measurement details and relevant spectrum plots indicating the details such as resolution bandwidth, video bandwidth,  frequency span, sweep etc.,

6.   The Equipment Type Approval  shall be granted only to an Indian agency and not in the name of any foreign  manufacturer.  Hence it also essential to submit a certificate of authorization from the manufacturer, authorizing the Indian agency/counter part  to act  on their behalf.



                        S/D…………..
                     (D.Singaravelu)
               Deputy Wireless Adviser to Govt. of India

hahhahah....

please read word to word...

what is the meaning of "the de-licenced  frequency bands"

Just i need to say one thing to all rc people...

If you think that higher level customs commissioner telling you truth to you...then you are wrong...
that is my personal experience...

just follow the RULE. they are say anything...and maybe that is not in the RULE...

Just they need your money...so...if you think they are RIGHT then you can follow them...

i always carry the GOVT DOCUMENT and argument with Customs Commissioner.....

and after showing the rule...they are going in silent mode..and going on new objection...

All are up to you.. bcoz this is INDIA.

u read it first clearly. You dont have to explain anybody here. Every body knows. You understand the meaning of it, thats enough. We are pretty clear here. You order one RTF heli from outside (equal or above medium size heli), you will come to know clearly, what is type approval and what is 2.4 Ghz and all. I also came to know, after losing my heli only. Hey others, its really dangerous ordering especially RTF Helis now a days. Please think twice or thrice before you order RTFs. There is no proper channel to contact customs. Ofcourse its a service they should provide for us as we are paying money, We have every right to ask them, what is the status of my parcel ? Obviously its a public government sector, so it will be obviously the most worst service. Even we can't complaint about their services !!!!!! How funny this rule is, an individual importer who imports single items also needs type approval.

ok...that's fine....i am WRONG...ok..

you can follow this all people...and waste your money on them...

i do not give to any advice on this...

Thanks.

   "All equipments/devices which work in the de-licenced  frequency bands,  SHALL be type approved and designed and constructed in such a manner that the bandwidth of emission, power and other parameters shall conform to the limits specified various notifications in this regard."

What this means IMHO is that in the de-licenced bands:
There is a need for type approval based on specs.

And not that they all stand automatically approved

that SHALL actually means NEED TO BE. And not DEEMED TO BE.

And the Argument Continues...
Coffee... Toffee

what's this IMHO Can't get the meaning of it

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Quote from: kumardasai on September 16, 2013, 08:01:11 PM
u read it first clearly. You dont have to explain anybody here. Every body knows. You understand the meaning of it, thats enough. We are pretty clear here. You order one RTF heli from outside (equal or above medium size heli), you will come to know clearly, what is type approval and what is 2.4 Ghz and all. I also came to know, after losing my heli only. Hey others, its really dangerous ordering especially RTF Helis now a days. Please think twice or thrice before you order RTFs. There is no proper channel to contact customs. Ofcourse its a service they should provide for us as we are paying money, We have every right to ask them, what is the status of my parcel ? Obviously its a public government sector, so it will be obviously the most worst service. Even we can't complaint about their services !!!!!! How funny this rule is, an individual importer who imports single items also needs type approval.

Another Wrong Thinking...If people Do not thinking in right way then customs people are happy.

I bought CF propeller and they are detained ...my parcel stuck in  their office from last 1 month...if you think they are right then you are wrong.

You can File a complain Against that corrupted Customs Officer...

Grievances can primarily be divided into three categories:

1.      Complaints of corrupt practices against officers

2.      Delay in decision making by officers.

3.      Grievances against merits of the decision taken by officers.

Quote from: sanjayrai55 on September 16, 2013, 06:25:03 PM

Quote from: mail4ajo on September 16, 2013, 05:39:34 PM
Blame it on the hobby distributors for making it tough for individual importers.

Bit extreme that, putting the blame on the Hobby Distributors!

Why do you think it is extreme? These rules have been around for years, but were never enforced as the appraising officials probably never knew about it or choose to ignore them. I assume either one or a group of distributors lobbied with customs to enforce them so they can restrict personal hobby imports securing their business and monopolising. Aeromodelling and radios have been here for donkeys years, so how suddenly 2 or 3 years ago, these rules came about?

You all understand that rules are for the public and benefits are for those who are supposed to implement them (or rather enforce them on the gullible public) or those who see them implemented - for eg., compulsory helmet rule or using phone while driving or tinted glasses on the vehicle window glasses and wind screens or drunk driving. Though rules are always there, their implementation is in fits and bursts, knee-jerk reactions, like in "special drives" or whenever the enforcer (in these cases, the police) need money for pocket expenditure or for festival season expenditure or when the boss falls short of funds for the home furnishing or election expenditure. Customs enforcers, may be are a few notches ahead. Its a matter of degrees. The disease is same.

I feel this rule should enforced for air radios and not surface as the range is short. We have some RTR surface radios which cant even operate beyond 200 feet. I know of Air radios which can cover vast area. But issue is on how to categorize radios and so the blanket rule for all.

@mail4ajo:-
As a fellow aero modellers we can understand your explanation, but those custom people, will not listen to our arguments first of all, They will just blindly follow their stupid rules. They just need a type approval, thats it. They dont know anything about these freequeny, range and all other aspects. I have also tried to explain a lot about my medium sized heli and its range, and its weight and its not even 2.4 Ghz. But they still asking for type approval. They should recruit a technician and evaluate the RC item instead of blindly following WPC rules.

Quote:  I assume either one or a group of distributors lobbied with customs to enforce them so they can restrict personal hobby imports securing their business and monopolising. Unquote

mail4ajo

1. You 'assume' lobbying was done
2. On the basis of this 'assumption' you have jumped ahead to
    a) Slander
    b) Libel
3. You have become Judge Jury and Executioner in one

This is you personal 'assumption', and should not be publicised on this forum

Quote from: mbt1370 on September 16, 2013, 07:12:02 PM
Can anyone tell me...what is the meaning of this??
"licensing for possession and use?"
Just tell me the meaning of "possession"

This is what happens when someone who joins the forum to sell overpriced items becomes an authority on WPC issues over night.

Whatever the meaning of possession, to customs officials IMPORT of a radio that is using even a de-licensed band still needs ETA (ie type approval), that is mandatory per WPC. The key is "IMPORT", which has nothing to do with "use" or "possession" mentioned about the de-licensed 2.4Ghz band.

Taking this argument further, every radio that in the country would need to be imported  at some point, so every radio would need ETA. If there are "Made in India" radios, then also the same would apply, as ETA is WPC's method of confirming that that the particular model of radios actually works in the band (and only that band) that it claims to use.

Now what happens on the ground can be very different from what the rules say. Often custom folks ignore radios, especially while coming to the country via airports and a lot of times during parcel imports. And nobody is actively visiting any RC fields to check if your radio is type approved. But none of those mean that the rules are relaxed.  You need ETA to import radios, end of story.

Basically, if I were to create radios in the 3.5GHz band, the first step is that I would need approval to use that bit of spectrum for my radios. The second step is that I would need ETA for my radio... which would be the WPC's way of confirming that my particular model of radio actually works on the 3.5Ghz band "as claimed" by me.

When using a 2.4Ghz radio along with fact that 2.4Ghz band is de-licensed, I am saved from going through the hassle of the first step (spectrum usage license), but the second step (ETA) still remains.

It is just strange that the person making this argument seems to have found ways to convince customs officers using "WPC rules" that radios are legal to be imported without ETA, but he fails miserably at getting the customs charges reduced from the 45% that he claims every item he is selling here is charged !  Most people here are charged at a lower rate of customs... what an irony.

Quote from: sanjayrai55 on September 17, 2013, 07:44:00 PM
Quote:  I assume either one or a group of distributors lobbied with customs to enforce them so they can restrict personal hobby imports securing their business and monopolising. Unquote

mail4ajo

1. You 'assume' lobbying was done
2. On the basis of this 'assumption' you have jumped ahead to
    a) Slander
    b) Libel
3. You have become Judge Jury and Executioner in one

This is you personal 'assumption', and should not be publicised on this forum

Do you agree that local distributors want to restricts personal imports? I know of several who have publicly spoken against and discouraged personal imports, so I believe I am just in assuming the above. Its not a wild dream. The way to attract buyers is by being price competitive, offering good choices and after sales service. This discourages personal imports.

Making personal imports hard is not the solution.