Quote from: PankajC on July 17, 2011, 08:18:12 PM
Well then if use of Sanwa radio ensures enhancement of one's skill, then that means the other brands like Futaba, JR/Spektrum etc.  are all inferior so lets all dump these brands and stick to Sanwa right?

I don't think Sanwa says that.All they say is that their radios are the choice of champions.Simple enough,isn't it?

Quote from: PankajC on July 17, 2011, 08:18:12 PM
Well then if use of Sanwa radio ensures enhancement of one's skill, then that means the other brands like Futaba, JR/Spektrum etc.  are all inferior so lets all dump these brands and stick to Sanwa right?

Pankaj,

we have not said that anywhere, where did you get that implication from??

No radio can enhance your skills. You have to be a good one to make best use of the radio.

I went around asking drivers at a world event why they chose an ugly, huge and bulky M11 radio over a sleek and sexy radio like Spektrum DX3R. The reason I posted is what I heard. I never imagined this. What I heard is what I wrote.

I dont know anything about air radios, but I have used/own both Spektrum and Sanwa surface radios. Sanwa is certainly better built and faster than my spektrum. Its not rocket science, just look at the plastics for example. But Sanwa is heavier, draws more power and looks like a brick.

Quote from: rcdhamaka on July 17, 2011, 08:25:10 PM
Pankaj,
we have not said that anywhere, where did you get that implication from??

Well I am just trying to find some logic as to why the champs choose a particular radio

Quote from: mail4ajo on July 17, 2011, 09:20:21 PM
I dont know anything about air radios, but I have used/own both Spektrum and Sanwa surface radios. Sanwa is certainly better built and faster than my spektrum. Its not rocket science, just look at the plastics for example. But Sanwa is heavier, draws more power and looks like a brick.

To me this logic makes some sort of sense - better built could mean better handling or feel, however still not able to understand the speed concept. How is it that one radio is considered faster than other

Quote from: PankajC on July 17, 2011, 10:16:31 PM
How is it that one radio is considered faster than other

We're speaking of response speed here.Most people like fast radios.Usually,people get accustomed to the speed of their radio but faster is generally better.If Sanwa tells us how their radios are faster than the radios other people make,they'll go out of business

I think that their speed comes from good receivers and good computational abilities of their systems.(Basically encoding,decoding...)

well if we look at servo specs there is specs like 'response time 0.12 sec'. I would like to think this is fast since 0.10 is considered the limit of human response.

Now, I also understand that even though one component of the system may be fast, but the overall performance depends on combined effect of all devices put together - TX, RX and Servo. So while a servo may be lightening fast, if the Tx or Rx is slow, then the overall system may become sluggish. But it won't be like a latency of 1-2 seconds between the user's input and the servo's movement.

So when we say these radios are fast in real terms does it make too much of a difference?

this is where other factors start to come into play.the pros use uber fast and uber high torque servos with speeds of 0.07 seconds and even faster ones.when a person can afford a 400 dollar radio,chances are,he can upgrade his servo too.

Quote from: rcdhamaka on July 17, 2011, 08:08:41 PM

So kindly do not Hijack this thread...........thank you.

Kartik - Team RCD

Hijacking the Thread ?? Why didn't you locked this thread all together and make it just a billboard ? When people sing to your tunes, it fine and when people confront you, the discussion suddenly becomes 'Hijacking' ? And should I call this thread a discussion ? It is merely pasting the forum with an Ad Poster, and were I a moderator, I would have moved this post to the 'RC-Bazaar' forum (no, not the LHS with similar name). If you put the thread in 'Radio and Receiver' forum, please be open to constructive criticism. This is not a Sanwa sponsored forum I believe.

And as far as basting of champions goes,  I do have all the high regard for all the top 3-4 OEM Tx beands, including Sanwa to be honest, but such Ad suggests that all champs use Sanwa only, I think some one need to do some research (Sad there is no Futaba distributor in India). There are Champs in all Radio Clan. JR/Spektrum is too strong in the Heli worls (Tareq) and Futaba in Pattern flying (Noll Sr and Jr). The list would be much longer and I have not wasted time on searching for more.

War similar to Radio Vs Radio exist in Photography world too, mainly fought between Canon and Nikon fans. Both lineups are better and worse in their own regards, both have equal number of satisfied users. They are indeed better than the lesser popular brands for totally different reason (accessories, range, support, etc).
Lets don't indulge such unnecessary controversy / debate here, as there is no end to it. One of the bright scratch builder at our field uses Al Cheapo 3000 HK Tx. He deserves better Tx, but then he is good even with that radio as well.

This thread have given me a sleepless night, and of course I have to work thisssssssssss   morning, hooooooooo
being Reading at different places, and "my" views are:

Japanese  indeed are very smart business men I must say, you don't enter in surface segment, and I won't come to sky is the treaty, it seems  amongst these two Jap radio makers.

Sanwa seems strong in surface segment, their M11, M11x,(sorry for my meager know about surface as I see to sky)  wow and Futaba strong in sky, I searched for Sanwa larger than 10 channel air radios, no sir they do not have that,(please correct me if I am wrong,blame it on my search engine, not me for the mistake) means they have smaller range in air segment. but that doesn't mean sanwa radios are bad for sky and futabas are bad for surface (read line no.3 again in this context)

Futaba air radios, yes they go upto 18 channels, 6ex, 7c, 8fg, 8fg super, 10cg, 12fg,12z, 14mz,18mz huh....... and how they call their 8fg super a 8 channel radio as 14channel is beyond my imagination.

Find Futaba list of air champions it is very Longggggggggggg, and they have clear technological advantage with their S-bus technology.

who says some radio can make champions, they are paid to wear tees and of course loads of equipments, to say I love...............

I come to know that radios are like pens, they will write if you move your hands, and way you move it, if not so a person having a million dollar pen should be a best writer in world.

And I see S.T plays with Kashmir willow(prepared as a bat some where in Punjab, as my radio have a sticker made in..., I want to be politicaly correct), and I can see a sticker saying MRF(and again don't blame me if the sticker is changed in recent times, as I do not follow cricket regularly)

One more query from my more knowledgeable friends here, do some diamond studded radios are also available just like mobile phones..........

Pardons in advance if somebody thinks I am thread jacker, oh sorry hijacker, please let me know this post will be removed to a newer location.

Sanwa wins again at the IFMAR 1/10 Electric Worlds Finishing 1st & 2nd in both the 2WD & 4WD events. 5 out of the top 10 were using SANWA in both the events.

We congratulate the winners.

Kartil, you talked about futaba 3003 and such standard servos jittering with Sanwa radio and rx. What is the view on that( anyone with sanwa futaba servo combo can care to clarify). Also there is a popular belief that there more clones of sanwa than sanwa perse! Any thoughts on that?

As regards skill and radio, a good radio can be an added bonus, skill set is all about perspiration and ability to perceive aircraft behavior better. An average radio would do, other than Sanwa I have them most, personally I like my parkmaster better with turnigy than 14 mz. Weight , ease of handling are issues were turnigy scores. My 4 ch skysport is my most trusted radio, may be on surface it matters , in air it doesn't . Because anything that interacts with air has lag called 'tau' lag ( name doesn't matter though) it depends on control force , throw and control harmony( ratio of control forces rudder elev and aileron, in that order) static CG margin dynamic stability air pressure density and temperature. A pilot incl rc pilot is to cater for that. Add another variable to cater for , radio lag. And ur good to go, I don't for once am refuting that sanwa is the best.

Servo match was another issue with some older Sanwa radios. Hitec 645 had issues with the Sanwa MX3. It was reported online, and I had the issue too.

I am sure this has been corrected now.