Problem Statement

Design and make a wireless remote controlled aircraft (using electric motors only), which has all three degrees of freedom including yaw, pitch and roll and that can complete a specified path and drop a packet of given weight at some specified location in the minimum possible time.

Prizes worth INR 45,000 to be won.

for complete problem statement visit:
http://www.sp4mm3r.org/competitions/split_second/aviator/

Dates of the competitions please.

7th jan to 9th jan 2011 @ iit bombay,mumbai

I guess this is only for students
People like me can only watch

no this event is open for everyone .all you need is enthusiasm
visit sp4mm3r website to register n details :
http://www.sp4mm3r.org/competitions/split_second/aviator/

I suppose 100meters is very little distance, taking into consideration the AUW of the plane to be built! without knowing the dimensions and the weight of the 'DROP' it will be really difficult to construct an airplane.
Assuming, the 'DROP' is 75gms, a plane with an x amount of AUW + drop weight will need some extra thrust, and when the drop is done, that extra thrust will supplement for a overkill on the way back.
Correct me if I am wrong. or maybe I did not read the whole pdf document.
Remember 75gms is 10% of a 750gm plane!

-Dorwin

Controlflyer, you are right, you did not read all the pages. Everything what you need to know as problem statement is there. Now get cracking and go win the competition

Hi controlflyer
weight of the DROP is 70-75 gms.and also there will be some extra points for the lightness of the aircraf.

Points for lightness of the aircraft
PW = (1500 – W)/ 10
PW = Points for weight of the aircraft.
W = Weight of the aircraft in grams at the time of launch excluding the block weight.
In case the weight of the aircraft exceeds 1500 grams then negative PW will be awarded.

Also there will be points for size of aircrafts and many other factors. I suggest you to read the problem statement and judging criterion ETC on the website.

See you @sp4mm3r 


Sunil
Co-ordinator
Aviator,sp4mm3r
IIT ,bombay

@ controlflyer
sorry for mistake actually in this competition person having valid college card can participate.
But if you have good models of RC plane(or you have only good RC plane) you are invited to sp4mm3r iit bombay to show your plane to hundreds of viewers.

Seems like a practice run for this event ? Found this video on Youtube.

Good build. Seems like the CG is not right. Tail seems to be heavy. But a good build never the less.
Hope they do well at the sp4mm3r.
Happy flying
Doc

Beautiful atmosphere and nice flying too.

hi all,

Guys i want all to know that this competition held by powai IIT is bullshit.

It takes years of practice, patience and devotion to learn aeromodelling. to fly a simple circuit and land is also more than enough.

The IIT people just dont understand the hidden factors involved in this hobby. I was invited judge for this years competition and i was present for only one day. the results were very bad. many models could not fly as students were not able to get guidance. many could not fly there models as lack of flying experience. there were lot technical problems with models, design was main factor.

IIT - means Indian Institute for Technology. Engineers are to be created here. The entire emphasis of this competition was on flying instead of design.

Students should be told to design a model using the engineering knowledge they gain during their term in the colleges. fluying the model should be secondary. a good desgin will always fly.

Also the results of the competitions were totally absurd and a lot of partiallity was seen. the prizes were given to flyers who did not even complete the circuit or the complete the given task.

I want to spread this info to all students that this is not the place to spend time and money were engineering is not involved.

I may be rude but this is the real story in all IITs. i have seen it.

hope other students learn something from this.

This is really sad.

they should learn first and then make/try to fly any plane.
i am also going to a competition in Bits Pilani Goa, don't know how the participants will be there?

For whatever it is worth, here is another video from IIT Kanpur.

Quote from: sbajare on January 29, 2011, 10:11:01 PM
Also the results of the competitions were totally absurd and a lot of partiallity was seen. the prizes were given to flyers who did not even complete the circuit or the complete the given task.

I want to spread this info to all students that this is not the place to spend time and money were engineering is not involved.

I may be rude but this is the real story in all IITs. i have seen it.

hope other students learn something from this.

I can understand the frustration. I have been the convener of my Dept during my IIT days and wouldn't be ashamed to say that most of these 'organizers' are given the post due to their academics and not extra curricular activities needed for the fest. 
why to blame just the IITs! Take any Tech Institute/engg College fest. Just read the write up for the competition. The intro, requirements and point scheme more sound like newly hatched crow dying to fly.

there is another problem with the Aeromodeling and  few other competition like robotic (I had to judge my college Robo fest as a Comp student as there ain't people to judge on fuzzy logic algo they invited). There are any prof specialize to oversea such event with domain knowledge so all is left upon 3/4th year students to just Google up what they judge like Shreya Ghosal judging Asha Bhosale (like in desi reality shows).

So gear up you flyers! don't be disheartened with these futile competitions. The best tea makers sip their own finest tea. They don't go to Lipton's tea garden!

There are some things which need explanations
1. First thing is that do not make a stereotype that whatever you saw in IIT Bambay during any year is a generalized statement for all the IITs, and for every time. It depends totally on a particular year and on an IIT depending upon how it promote a particular passion. Every IIT has a totally different environment in it and promote a totally different kind of passion in it. Like in IIT Delhi, you can never dare to blame its "literature" and cultural events, in IIT Kanpur, you can never dare to blame its research and development facilities because they are sometime best in "world". Do you know IIT Kanpur has its own full fledged National Wind Tunnel Facility where a simple student of first year in BTech has permission to test prototype of his model in real conditions generated in that huge tunnel where a man can stand inside this tunnel. IIT Kanpur has its own AIR Strip with Light weight aircrafts/gliders and students here can learn to fly them and and a pilot licence. And we as undergrad use it to lean real flying. And you talk about "they should learn first and then make/try to fly any plane." 

2. Second thing is that in IIT Kanpur(I am in IIT Kanpur so can tell you better about IIT Kanpur only), the video you saw two post earlier is of an "Airshow" organised only by students of IIT Kanpur. This Airshow was finalized just in evening, one day earlier and this plane was built from scratch in a night or so. And you can also check on the official site of Indian Meteorology Department, about weather conditions in Kanpur region that it was very much difficult with wind flowing at very high velocity and still the flyer was quite capable of managing that newly built plane.

3. Third thing is that in IIT kanpur, you can go to event page http://www.sp4mm3r.org/#/competitions/takeoff/eagle/ . here you will find that it is not a circus or a game going on here. In this event, you have to present "Best and Most Efficient" aero-model and it would be judged by people varying from some of the best academicians in various fields of Aerospace engineering to "General Secretaries" of some of the best "Regional Aeromodelling Associations". In event Cruise Control, http://www.sp4mm3r.org/#/competitions/takeoff/cruisecontrol/ , the competition is to present and fly an efficient aeromodel with one of "the best" controls over your plane. Here in every round we will judge you more on your combination of efficiency of model to take a turn after a point or to glide maximum time without engines(depending upon design, it will fly). Here in IIT Kanpur, people with most engineered approach will win the competition.

4. Do not think that if I am an IITian then it is written in my forehead that I can only do "engineering". I am a citizen of "free" country and I can do anything I wish to do. Only thing which is expected out of me is that I should excel in whatever I do. And most of IITian excel in their field. If people like N R Nayanan Murthy, Nandan Nilekani would have thought it then instead of going for making a company named "INFOSYS" and employing a large number of population in India making it a superpower in Computer science, he would have worked in a research lab and produced softwares to be sold in US and then Indians would have to purchase it on very high cost form US companies. Do you know "Jairam Ramesh" the current minister in central government is pass-out of IIT Bombay and is one of the best environment ansd forest minister Indian has ever seen. Be it an IIT or IIM, they are serving their purpose to the best of their ability and it is totally nonsense to Blame other IIT System just you saw something wrong happening in one of them.

Mayank Kumar Shamra
Coordinator
TakeOff- India's One of The Best Aeromodelling Event
sp4mm3r'11
IIT Kanpur             

Quote from: mayank0390 on January 30, 2011, 03:43:53 AM
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. If people like N R Nayanan Murthy, Nandan Nilekani would have thought it then instead of going for making a company named "INFOSYS" and employing a large number of population in India making it a superpower in Computer science, he would have worked in a research lab and produced softwares to be sold in US and then Indians would have to purchase it on very high cost form US companies.

Since I have been part such of prestigious institutes as much as you, I think I have all the rights to speak for it, and please, don't give the plead of this Freedom o speech. I have seen people using iot as last recourse when their Personal-Political-Religious sentiments are hurt by hard facts.

I was not talking about IIT Kanpur. I was giving a general state of affair at 'Aero modeling' fest in various Engg Colleges. I very well know that IIT Kanpur, more than Aeromodeling even has real plane, I always wished I was there. But everything ends here.

Now when you also giving accounts of such great people from IIT and companies the country has produced, learn some facts they won't teach you at school.

1. Infy/Wipro/TCS don't employ the largest no of people in India. IBM is.
2. None of these companies make Software 'Products' which the West buys. they provide 'Service'. Startups are doing much better than these giants.
3. Institutions like IITs should be working more at Post Graduate level, producing more PhDs than Graduate Engineers for Run-of-the-Mill job in IT Industry, for which even Poly-technique ITI's are enough. Ask how many IIT BTech's want to join back IIT for PG course.

4. Please accept the fact that unlike other Dept competition like Comp/Elec/Mech/etc, one can't get real expert in Aeromodelling (as 4 years is not enough to become one, as ***most** guys pick them n college only ). It would be better that Colleges take help from local Aeromodeling expert, or those from Air wing of NCC.

5. You may graduate from the college but experiences  like that from Sbajare are burnt deep in one's mind and usually led to such obvious stereo type.

6. Its never good idea to ride a Tiger which you can't tame. You should have people on board who, if not as good as competitors, as at least appreciate their effort. As I said before dont be like daily Soap where Sunidhi Chauhan would judge  a show where Lata Mangeshkar competes.

I am not pointing finger towards one Institute, but its  upon you guys get together to make such event a year round effort, rather than thing put up in weeks.

I will answer you one by one

you said

Quote from: ujjwaana on January 30, 2011, 11:29:19 AM
Now when you also giving accounts of such great people from IIT and companies the country has produced, learn some facts they won't teach you at school.

1. Infy/Wipro/TCS don't employ the largest no of people in India. IBM is.
2. None of these companies make Software 'Products' which the West buys. they provide 'Service'. Startups are doing much better than these giants.
3. Institutions like IITs should be working more at Post Graduate level, producing more PhDs than Graduate Engineers for Run-of-the-Mill job in IT Industry, for which even Poly-technique ITI's are enough. Ask how many IIT BTech's want to join back IIT for PG course.

First point is I am not an aerospace engineering student but am a Computer science engineering student so don't tell me what is the difference between a software provider and service provider company or who employes the most as if IBM is not predomnantly running because of IITians. And designing and flying aeromodel is my hobby and I am pursuing that here in IIT Kanpur.

Second thing is that Mr N R Narayan Murthy was a "PG" student not a "UG" student. Mr Jairam Ramesh joined IIT Bombay to do Postgraduate after Btech http://india.gov.in/govt/rajyasabhampbiodata.php?mpcode=1935 . Most of Institutions in field of "Chemistry" in India have their directors as "PG" Students of IIT Kanpur, most of the prestigious Institutions in India(IITs, IISc Banglore, NITs, IIIT Hyderabad, IIITs) have their directors either "PG" Students or professors of IIT Kanpur.

I being a comp. guy myself can surely tell you that competitions here in iitkanpur are far better in aeromodelling atleast this time(when i am knowing exactly everything about competitions being a coordinator myself) than any programming or robo or other event.

And respect comments and experience of Mr S Bajare and i talked to him personally. He has never been to IIT kanpur, and have never seen problem statement here. After listening to me about the problem statement he got very happy and wished to be a part of this event. And for that matter he will be judging the event along with three more such "renowned" people like him making a panel of four for judging.

And if you think that organizing such a big event with biggest participation from India is a week long affair then why don't you come forward and organize such event yourself. I am working for this event from april of last year and have refused to go for an internship in Microsoft in December coz i was here in IIT Kanpur. I have visited my home only once or twice in this whole one year from April. Who do you think I am, A MACHINE who knows only how to work and have nothing else in his life. Don't tell me I am being a political or religious coz if you were in my shoes, you would have given up a lot earlier than coping up with most toughest Academic of India.

IIT Kanpur is improving its competitions Year by Year, have some patience and observe sp4mm3r'11 this time. Its hell lot better this time.
Mayank Kumar Sharma
Coordianator
TakeOff- India's One of The Best Aeromodelling Event
sp4mm3r'11
IIT Kanpur            

manyank,

thanx for the call and it was a pleasure to speak to you. i am glad to know that u are taking great effort to keep competitions in IIT, kanpur in a different way than other IIT's.

Also pls do not lengthen this topic any further and bring in other issues which have no concern here. i have explained my objective and only hope that IIT's at powai and kharagpur learn something.

Also thanks for the invitation to kanpur and i will definitely come and see for myself.

awaiting your invitation letter.

regds

Yes even i was invited as a Judge at the sp4mm3r "Aviator". I think not only points must be given for flying the airplane right but the students who have really designed the airplane + flew the given task must me given 10+ points. Students who have done all the hard work must deserve that extra 10 points this will change the results & the right person will win its just that simple...

Also the size of the airplane was a problem. A 90cm wing span was the rule this size of the plane which easily drifts in the wind, at least 48 inches wingspan is right & decent size to fly in wind. Many students planes were drifted in the wind & went behind the ground some dashed the trees.

So simply to put this in a easy way is

designed model + flying + timming = winner

for a ready kit plane you will not get +10 points which will be later added to your total score.

Regards,
Harry

Quote from: mayank0390 on January 30, 2011, 01:29:02 PM
First point is I am not an aerospace engineering student but am a Computer science engineering student so don't tell me what is the difference between a software provider and service provider company or who employes the most as if IBM is not predomnantly running because of IITians.

You dont seem to, from what yo have posted above.

Quote from: mayank0390 on January 30, 2011, 01:29:02 PM
Second thing is that Mr N R Narayan Murthy was a "PG" student not a "UG" student. Mr Jairam Ramesh joined IIT Bombay to do Postgraduate after Btech

After completing BTech, would you like join back, tell me earnestly. Dont take account of others.

Quote from: mayank0390 on January 30, 2011, 01:29:02 PM
I being a comp. guy myself can surely tell you that competitions here in iitkanpur are far better in aeromodelling atleast this time(when i am knowing exactly everything about competitions being a coordinator myself) than any programming or robo or other event.

Hope you other batchmates are not reading this. IITK used to be one of the best in Comp Science. They do have a great Aero Space too, but it wouldn't be wise to claim this on just the 'Raw appeal' of Aeromodeling event.

Quote from: mayank0390 on January 30, 2011, 01:29:02 PM
And for that matter he will be judging the event along with three more such "renowned" people like him making a panel of four for judging.

That more of a damage control than giving a First Hand experience.

Quote from: mayank0390 on January 30, 2011, 01:29:02 PM
And if you think that organizing such a big event with biggest participation from India is a week long affair then why don't you come forward and organize such event yourself. I am working for this event from april of last year and have refused to go for an internship in Microsoft in December coz i was here in IIT Kanpur.

Give me better. Even I was convenor of my department, overlooking 5 events, and closely handlign the main ones. I also join Microsoft R&D afterwards as Intern and even got a PPO. These kind of accounts are too childish in the outerworld. Grow up. I know there are 10 times better people than me out here, so I keep a key appropriate for me.

Quote from: mayank0390 on January 30, 2011, 01:29:02 PM
IIT Kanpur is improving its competitions Year by Year
Mayank Kumar Sharma
....

Give a honest feedback to  the profs and not to your juniors. And stop this pomp signature.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kanpur/IIT-K-students-assemble-biggest-plane/articleshow/7523429.cms#ixzz1EWJhsnfj

This news article explains the might and "level" of event.......

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kanpur/IITians-develops-mechanical-bird-capable-of-spying/articleshow/7550978.cms

This article explain innovations IIT kanpur is bringing in competitions.

If anyone still have doubt he/she can directly ask Mr Sandeep Bajare about his feedback about the event.
In main round of event, I was in arena and when round got over he said, " Mayank this is called event, rest are just games"........