Hi All,

I wanted to know if there is something like RC flying membership cards which can be obtained so that we can show it to anyone ( Police) who is very concernd  when it comes to heli flying in your near by field. I am looking for some sort of authorization so that I can fly my heli's without any issues.


Thanks
Hellyflyer

AFIAK there are no Central/Federal/National R/C Governing body like AMA in the US. Individual clubs/airfields do issue membership cards to individual like those in Chennai/Bangalore/Mumbai etc.

My advice, try to keep away from the Big - brothers (read Thulley's). Even an otherwise R/C club member may land in unnecessary trouble if they fly in designated place and come across unconvincing authorities.

Time and again this has come up. We need to form a National level RC club/body that can identify legitimate fliers.
Everytime i fly, i feel like I am vulnerable to nearly any police/security official and feel like I am doing something wrong.
A national level RC membership would go a long way in boosting confidence amongst us.
Hope something like this comes up soon.

Govt Haan ? When the Army experts can take a Ham Radio band VHF Walkie Talkie for a 'Satellite Phone' , wont they take even 100g foamie for a 'Attack Drone' !M**** F**** B****

http://www.rcindia.org/chatter-zone/true-lies-the-ignorance-and-demonetization-by-our-own-authorities/msg18006/#new

Quote from: ujjwaana on March 30, 2010, 09:52:03 AM
wont they take even 100g foamie for a 'Attack Drone' !M**** F**** B****

http://www.rcindia.org/chatter-zone/true-lies-the-ignorance-and-demonetization-by-our-own-authorities/msg18006/#new

Mr ujjwaana tere is one star less after the word M and F    .....I think it should be M***** F***** B****   

Ant there is a SERIOUS need for a national level club.......now I am thinking of becoming a politician ......Maybe be one day I become the R/C minister of India. 

Quote from: speedracer on March 30, 2010, 07:34:14 PM
now I am thinking of becoming a politician ......Maybe be one day I become the R/C minister of India. 

Speedracer, i guess that is the "sole" reason why we havent had a national level club yet. Everyone wants power, position and all the non-RC stuff(eg egos) get in way. Sad, but its a fact, that we aeromodellers in India are still not united in the true sense.

Quote from: speedracer on March 30, 2010, 07:34:14 PM
Ant there is a SERIOUS need for a national level club.......now I am thinking of becoming a politician ......Maybe be one day I become the R/C minister of India. 

Fighting for Ow n rights is no politics. Its only when you lobby for others. As long as my interest are involved, I am an activist.

And yes, when I come to swear at some one, I don't count number of *, #, or @... I just be spontaneous...

I am myself not an experienced R/C flyer/builder, so putting my opinion alone won't be appropriate. Well I can any day volunteer in any such initiative by serious and earnest seniors.

Quote from: ujjwaana on March 30, 2010, 09:17:11 PM
Fighting for Ow n rights is no politics. Its only when you lobby for others. As long as my interest are involved, I am an activist.

+1  will support you at any cost!!!!
                                                     FOR the R/c
                                                     BY the R/c   
                                                     To the R/c

i think the best think we can do is increasing the number of people involved in it and spreading as much awareness as possible
just wondering can we make an all india rc club which is registered?? and we can issue i cards to everyone involved in it....??

It is sad that there are already clubs and associations in different cities.  All it takes is to form an association of such clubs.  For example, I hear about RCPA from Chennai, PAA from Pune etc. 

How hard can it be for these folks to come together, and formulate some common sense rules around RC ?

Quote from: anwar on March 31, 2010, 12:52:23 AM
How hard can it be for these folks to come together, and formulate some common sense rules around RC ?

Yes, Things like that will work out i believe!

QuoteSad, but its a fact, that we aeromodellers in India are still not united in the true sense.

Unfortunately, this is true of Indians in any sphere. There is much more negative thinking, than positive.

We are like that only!

Shall we try to build a core group (no harm in calling it a "managing committee") comprising of the chairmen/presidents and general secretaries of ALL existing groups, and some individuals who have been in the hobby for a while (and have made a mark in their RC fields for a while) ?  Then we can register a national level non-profit org and get started ?

This has been discussed before what we must understand is that their is an apex body in India which is the official body of the FAI in India. It called the Aero Club of India. Aero Club of India (ACI), established in 1927, is the apex body of all the flying clubs, gliding clubs and aero sports organisations in India, which are engaged in Powered Flying, Glider Flying, Skydiving, Hang Gliding, Ballooning, Microlight Flying, Parasailing, Aeromodelling and such aero sports activities.

Though it is not doing anything for aeromodelling in India it is the body that is recognised by the Govt. of India.

All clubs in India within its scope have to register with them.

http://www.aeroclubofindia.org/aciobjectives.htm

Only one activity related to aeromodelling in the list of activities...  "l) Holding Aeromodelling rallies throughout the country" !  Not sure it is a priority at all. 

If everyone agrees that it is worth the fight, an independent "All India" club can be formed.  If that club has to go through ACI for government access, then so be it.  But there will be someone that pushes ACI to help out ?

Their activities include issuing licences and sponsoring teams for international events & world championships.

http://www.aeroclubofindia.org/aboutus.htm

Aero Club of India (ACI), established in 1927, is the apex body of all the flying clubs, gliding clubs and aero sports organisations in India, which are engaged in Powered Flying, Glider Flying, Skydiving, Hang Gliding, Ballooning, Microlight Flying, Parasailing, Aeromodelling and such aero sports activities. Aero Club of India and its 22 member flying clubs are basically non profit and non commercial organisations engaged in the task of basic training of Pilots and Aircraft Maintenance Engineers.

ACI is also a National Sports Federation as recognised by the Ministry of Youth Affairs and Sports, Government of India. ACI is the member representative of apex International aviation organisation, Federation Aeronautique Internationale (FAI) with its headquarters in Switzerland. FAI is sole International Sporting body in the world authorised to make and enforce rules to encourage and control all sport aviation events and records, both for aeronautics and astronautics. The Aero Club of India affiliated to FAI performs their functions in India and govern all Aero sports at the National level.

The main aims and objectives of ACI are :
•   To encourage, protect and develop the study and practice of Aeronautics and Aviation in India and to provide a Centre of Information and advice on all matters pertaining to Aeronautics;
•   To provide an all India authority to organize all Competitions, sporting events and controls in connection with Aero sports in India;
•    To ensure, as the representative of FAI in India, that the rules and regulations and standards prescribed by FAI for the conduct of the Aero sports Competitions, are compiled with;
•   To be the Co-coordinating representative body of various Clubs engaged in Aero sports activities in India and also to provide liaison with the Ministry of Civil Aviation, Directorate General of Civil Aviation and other Government Departments and also the various Ministries in connection with these activities;
•   To supervise and accord recognition to record making flights and maintain National Register on records.

The Royal Aero Club of India and Burma Ltd.(RACIB), as the present Club was known then, was inaugurated on 19th September 1927 alongwith Directorate of Civil Aviation(DCA). Sir Victor Sasoon, a noted industrial magnate and philanthropist, was the prime motive force in the formation of the Club. The primary objective of founding the Club was to encourage flying as a sport and to create air mindedness among the youth of the country. The idea also was to enable them to participate and find employment in the commercial flying and aircraft industrial activities in the years to come.

The Club received official support and patronage from its inception. The Viceroy of India and Burma was its Patron-in-Chief and the Commander-in-chief of India, the President, the Director General of Posts and Telegraphs was the Vice President. The executive committee consisted of eminent men holding high ranks in the Government, Members of the Legislative Assembly as well as a number of leading public figures. The Constitution was drawn up on the lines of the Royal Aero Club of Great Britain. The Club was affiliated to the Royal Aero Club as well as to the Societe Aviation Internationale.

From the beginning, it was recognised that the objectives could be attained only by formation of Flying Clubs all over the country. Accordingly, the Aero Club took its first task as the formation of "Light Aeroplane Clubs". The Delhi Flying Club was the first one to be inaugurated in May 1928. It was closely followed by similar clubs in Karachi, Allahabad, Calcutta and Bombay. The Aero Club was recognised by the Government and also by the two organisations to which it was affiliated. It was the only Authority in India to supervise and issue regulations for Flying Meets and to take official records of test flights in the country. This position is in force even today.

The Government of India provided assistance to all the clubs through ACI with two Pussmoth aircraft; eight Pussmoths were acquired at a cost of Rs.1.05 lakhs. Later, the Government extended financial assistance for their operation as well. The total annual flying performance in the early years of these Clubs was a little over 4000 hours corresponding roughly to about 3,20,000 miles. The number of pilots, who were trained, varied between 60 and 70 each year. The average cost to pupils up to 3 hrs. solo to qualify them for the Aviator's Certificate was Rs.350 and the average time taken for qualifying for the Aviator's Certificate, (flying license), was about 20/25 hrs. of flying.
ACI was the only Authority in India to supervise and issue regulations for Flying Meets and to take official records of flights in the country. ACI was the official agency for issue of Aviators' Certificates up to 1949 which were duly recognised as per Aircraft Rules 1920, published in 1932. The important Certificates, to mention a few were :

•   Certificate No.1 to "Jehangir R.D. Tata, Nationality – British" on 10-02-1929.
•   Certificate No.5 to "Bhagat Behari Lal – Nationality Indian" on 25-03-1929.
•   Certificate No.11 to first lady "Ms. Sylla Petit – Nationality British" on 08-05-1929.
•   Certificate No.97 to "Mrs U K Parekh – Nationality Indian" on 17-05-1930.

In all 746 Certificates were issued. The Aero Club was also involved in the training and approval of Flight Instructors and Engineers with additional responsibility for functioning of the flying clubs, technically and financially.

Apart from the establishment and also overseeing the activities of the Flying Clubs in the various parts of the country, the Aero Club actively participated by providing support and facilities to the notable air races between England and Australia as it was the only recognised authority in the country to issue carnets and obtain diplomatic permits for certain countries. The Aero Club was also authorised to issue licenses for arms and cameras and wireless facilities to foreign aviators passing through India.
Notable flights were made during the early years of the existence of ACI. Special mention must be made of the flights between England and India by Mr. J.R.D Tata, Mr. Engineer, as well as Mr. RN Chawla. Mr. Engineer had only eighteen hours of flying experience, when he undertook the flight from England to India and won the coveted His Highness Aga Khan Prize.

The Aero Club functioned as a branch of the Royal Aero Club of Great Britain all along till Independence. Its activities were practically suspended during the World War II. After India became independent in 1947, the Club was re-constituted as the Aero Club of India Ltd. (ACI), with Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, the then Prime Minister of India himself as its President. Pandit Hirday Nath Kunzru, Member, Constituent Assembly of India was the Vice President. In the year 1950 ACI became full member of FAI. In the year 1963 word Limited was deleted.

Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru whose enthusiasm for flying was well known, was its President from 1948 to 1957. His grandson Mr. Rajiv Gandhi, became its President in 1984 and continued to be its President till he assumed the office of the Prime Minister of India. In the year 1984 Capt. Satish K Sharma took over as President ACI and continues to be so since then.

The Aero club of India had nurtured the dream of having its own building. Due to many factors, mainly financial, the project remained on paper for a long time. This was realised during the stewardship of Capt. Satish K Sharma, President Aero Club of India, who has been taking active part in the Club's activities ever since his membership. The Club moved into the new building in September 1985. The PUSS MOTH VT-AKH a three seat high Wing Mono Plane, first flew in 1929, was gifted by Shri JRD Tata to the then President, Capt. Satish K Sharma, in 1985 for display in the Aero Club of India building at Aurobindo Marg, Safdarjung Airport, New Delhi-110 003.

Mr. Rajiv Gandhi's tenure as President was conspicuous for formulation of a modest Plan for organised development of aviation and aero sports in the country. A time-bound programme was framed and implemented. Under this Plan ACI imported 28 Cessna 152A trainer aircraft, 24 Husky Microlights, 8 L-23 Super Blanik Gliders, 23 Dhanush Diesel glider launching winches, 40 aeromodels, parachuting (skydiving) systems and parasails. Recently ACI has also procured 2 Sinus 912 Motor Gliders, 1 Hot Air Balloon, 15 Skyhawk Cessna 172 R GA trainer aircraft with glass cockpit and 1 Baron G58 Multi Engine trainer aircraft, out of Government of India grant. All the above equipment has been allotted to various ACI member organisations to promote and broad base Powered flying and aerosports in the country.

ACI is procuring 2 Single Engine and 1 Multi-engine simulators and the second Baron G-58 Multi-engine trainer aircraft. The equipment is likely to be delivered by December 2009.

Today ACI has 22 Flying clubs as its members. The Flying Clubs have been rendering pioneering and very valuable services in our country in regard to ab-initio training of aviation pilots and engineers. ACI along with its member flying clubs have contributed commendably in the civil as well as military sector and are truly national assets.
Aero Sports encompasses all sports activities in the medium of air, right from Aeromodelling to Space Travel and occupies a unique position in a very large number of countries. Competitions, Meets, Seminars, Rallies and Races are held regularly every year in various branches of aero sports at National and International levels. Apart from these events attempts are made for establishing World Records in many aspects of Aero Sports in distance, speed, altitude and duration of time.

In addition to Powered Flying, ACI and its members have excelled in Aerosports of Glider Flying, Hang Gliding, Hot Air Ballooning, Microlight Flying, Parasailing, Skydiving and Aeromodelling etc. There are many individual members of ACI who have made mark in Aero Sports in the country as well as at International level which are motivating and aspiring the youth to aviation and aerosports. Many of its members have been conferred with National Awards for achieving distinction in Aero Sports. Dr. Vijaypath Singhania, has the distinction of achieving World Record in height in Hot Air Ballooning. FAI honoured him with "Diplome de Record du Monde".

Important Licences and Certificates issued for Aero Sports persons who are still continuing with their respective aero sports are Ballooning Licence No.1 to Shri Vishwa Bandhu Gupta and International Parachuting Certificate (FAI) No.1 to Shri Sanjay Thapar.

ACI is continuing in its efforts to broadbase and promote flying training and aerosports in the country. This is being achieved under the able leadership and vision of Capt. Satish K. Sharma MP, who himself is a distinguished aviator. ACI is thankful to the Ministry of Civil Aviation and Government of India for it's active support to ACI for its above achievements. In the never ending process of our aspiration for excellence, ACI is confident that with the cooperation, dedication and full support from its member flying clubs and institutions, ACI will continue to play a major role to boost the aviation sector and Aerosports in the country in years to come.

Sure looks worth the while to form at least an on line club here to begin with.

I had proposed this a year back :

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-outlets-and-resellers/formation-of-aero-modelers-and-hobby-shops-associations/

At that time this in itself was considered a non starter  good to see that 1 year down the road it  is being considered possible .

I think  if not for anything else  forming a body will at least enable lobbying power.

May be  why not a RCINDIA ID till then by registering RCINDIA .

Sai

@Kartik - Thanks for posting the details.  But in terms of "on-going activities" in the aeromodelling space, it seems to be a big zero ?

So common sense is to have someone who can push ACI to act on issues that are most relevant to this hobby (including rules on flying, imports, radio spectrum etc).  A national level club with say a 1000 (or 2000 or 3000) members from all walks of life would be a good start ?

Have asked and tried many times through many contacts to have them reply on it, or how to get a club to become associate member of ACI but no reply, recently some guys from Delhi tried meeting them but they did not reply nor meet them, they must have gone to their office atleast a half a dozen times.

Till we don't have someone to contact them and ask them if they would recognise a club for all india aeromodellers, till then it will have no standing. (this is in my personal opinion)

We are all for it but with legality in it.

@ Anwar,
regarding rules on flying, radio spectrum etc it will be as per the FAI regulations & Govt of India rules on spectrum (which have been discussed earlier in other posts). For which they surely will have rules framed, the only problem is that we don't know them.

As starting a club and issuing ID Cards is a great idea but if they are not recognised by the Govt it is of no use.

Like in Bangalore (Jakkur) ID Cards are issued and the same is issued by the Govt every year, so atleast they have some recognition.

If I am not mistaken Pune Association has a registration under them as they use the Gliding Center may be a approach thru the Pune office might help

Kartik,
May sound off track but can we traders form an association  and  register under  something like an all India traders  association  like this :
http://www.tai-india.org/

Then may be it might be possible to Lobby thru this organization . If you see their home page says :

Objectives

Unite the Toy Industry for better interaction between manufacturers and traders. Represent the difficulties of the industry to the Government and create a conducive working atmosphere between the Government and the industry. Up-grade existing industry for quality and safety of Toys. Hold fairs/exhibitions in different parts of the country to bring awareness to the populace regarding the modern play-way methods and act as a bridge between importers and exporters.

So there might be  a possibility of traders becoming members  and the forming a sub body under the Larger Umbrella  and then approaching the Govt .
Just another way of looking at it

Hi All,

Why can't we approach Wings India and have them reach out to the govt officals etc. for the "all india RC recognition cards" or "All India RC flying permits" as they are already involved in organizing meets at international levels like the Aamby Valley event, So I think they should know how to work with the officals and get what we want. Thoughts??
This will be a quicker way instead of forming a new body and figuring out everything from scratch.

HellyFlyer

Me too want one. In our area, the defence helicopters always fly very low. I often very much scared if I could get their attention on my foamie. If anything happens like this to me, I ll be with locked chains with a big brother in front of me in a place like those shown in Hollywood movies.

Quote from: Hellyflyer on March 31, 2010, 01:57:16 PM
Hi All,

Why can't we approach Wings India and have them reach out to the govt officals etc. for the "all india RC recognition cards" or "All India RC flying permits" as they are already involved in organizing meets at international levels like the Aamby Valley event, So I think they should know how to work with the officals and get what we want. Thoughts??
This will be a quicker way instead of forming a new body and figuring out everything from scratch.

HellyFlyer

That is an excellent idea. All of us aeromodellers must get together and unite these individual clubs and define rules, issue memberships. Very much needed.

Quote from: gauravag on March 31, 2010, 03:37:19 PM
All of us aeromodellers must get together and unite these individual clubs and define rules, issue memberships. Very much needed.

lets start.................