The DGCA Strikes Back

Started by sanjayrai55, October 11, 2014, 01:56:02 PM

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anilntny

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/Terror-alert-so-cops-will-ground-drones/articleshow/47076634.cms

This article elaborates on threats due to drones  >:(
But one thing , it says not to fly any more in Delhi (specifically saying)due to terror threats , that means one could have flown one before this warning.!so what is the point of order which came out in October last year?also ,apart from Delhi,people can fly one?

Himadri Roy

I don't get it why do the newspaper always have to elaborate on the cons of the multi rotors :banghead: :banghead: why not its benefits? It was used in the Nepal Earthquake for survelliance and search for stranded or injured people even during the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant disaster they were used for monitoring radioactivity level! :headscratch:
(don't drone sound like the one used in Afghanistan to bomb the terrorist? :banghead: :banghead:)
Man!!

"What if hackers take over wireless communication" - As much as i know no incidents of hacking a multirotor has been reported which is controlled by radio input(the ones controlled by WiFi or via internet are prone to hacking)
Yes only the signals can be jammed!

For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with eyes skywards for there you have been and there you will long to return
- Leonardo Da Vinci

https://www.youtube.com/himadrifpv

sadu

There is even real "drone" warfare going on in Ukraine where the rebels and army use Phantoms to gather intel about army movements etc. There is even a video on YT where the rebel guys jam its signal, crash the copter down and use the footage from the GoPro to find government force's locations and identify reinforcements. Yes, this isn't a hollywood movie, it's happening now.

This is like giving a kid a bat. He can score sixes and fours with it, become the next god or he could go and swing it at a policeman's head. Banning it isn't going to stop the "bad guys" from using it(look at the drug market), regulating and monitoring works(*legal* weed).

Here's that video(they use the term quadrocopter :giggle:):

And another about the whole thing (these are all propaganda videos so take them with a bag of salt):


sanjayrai55


Antriksh

The Directorate General of Civil Aviation's plan to allow commercial use of drones in India is stuck due to delays in clearances from the home, telecom and defence ministries. The civil aviation ministry had sought approval from these ministries, which have not responded.

Apart from India, countries such as the US, Australia and New Zealand are working on formulating laws to govern the commercial operations of drones as governments fret about the security risks posed by these unmanned aerial vehicles. "The civil aviation ministry has taken this up the issue with these three ministries again and sent them a reminder on the issue," said a senior government official, who did not want to be identified.
While the civil aviation ministry is the nodal ministry for formulation of rules for commercial use of drones, consent from the three ministries is also needed. Analysts say it's time the DGCA came out with the policy.

"The role of UAVs in commercial applications, internal security and national defence is increasing. DGCA must put a tight deadline on other ministries and release the draft policy the earliest. The policy can always be fine-tuned over time," said Amber Dubey, partner and India head of aerospace and defence at global consultancy KPMG.

The DGCA had banned the use of drones for commercial purposes in October last year since the International Civil Aviation Organisation did not have any standards for their operations. A change in the aviation regulator's stance came after countries such as the US, Australia and New Zealand notified rules for commercial operations of drones.

"We had banned it but we recently allowed use of drones during the Indian Premier League matches. They had approached us for approval," said a DGCA official. The official added that rules for commercial use of drones in India are similar to the Australian and US rules. The US limits commercial drone flights to below 500 feet during the daytime and within sight of the operator and also bans operating commercial drones near airports.

The concept of delivery through drones picked up recently after companies such as Amazon announced they would use them for relatively light packages. Amazon also said in December it is looking to launch delivery of goods through drones first in India, if they're allowed for commercial use. The US Federal Aviation Administration is reported to have plans to announce an initiative to study drone flights beyond the sight of the operator.

anilntny


tantragna

If only our beloved ban specialist decade can pull something like FAA's app,http://www.faa.gov/uas/b4ufly/

K K Iyer


sadu

The APM mission planner already have marked a no-fly zone around all major airports around the world and military zones. I believe it is also the same case with DJI products. APM might also extend it to lock under such areas (https://github.com/diydrones/ardupilot/issues/1056), one of the nifty features of adding a GPS to your aircraft :D

sundaram

#284
Even Multiwii has added the feature. Even our local helicopter airport is marked and sadly all our flying feild is inside danger zone marked. We just maintain different flying times flying under  the  explicit umbrella of the appropriate authority.

shobhit17

Well as it is flying near Airports, civil or Military i.e. within 10 miles (18 Kms) is unsafe and needs to be stopped..... Most of us are unaware of this and they continue to fly in the vicinity of airfields.  Similarly due to the sensitive nature flying near prohibited zones and military establishments is also not accepted.  We need to understand and respect that.  I am sure DGCA will come out with a descent enough policy to allow the hobby to flourish....
Well I been into aeromodelling since I was in School....  and then been in the air for over 30 years.  Now looking to be back into aeromodelling full time...

sundaram

Shobbit  sir  for the sake of not conveying wrong message amended my earlier post after seeing yours.  ;D.

but 10 mile for a heliport? ???  ;D ;D ;D.

sadu

There might be altitude limitations as well, a 5-10 kilometer radius ban is expected. In the US it is 8km radius of airports.
http://knowbeforeyoufly.org/for-recreational-users/

shobhit17

Well in India... the local control zone of the ATC... i.e. where the aeroplanes carry out their circuit flying and can be expected to be flying rather low and slow is 10 Miles..... thats how the distance of 10 Miles..... Air flying it is Nautical miles and so it works out to 1 NM = 1.8 Kms. i.e. = 18 kms.  One may be permitted to fly in this area after due clearances at specified time... but one must avoid this zone.
Well I been into aeromodelling since I was in School....  and then been in the air for over 30 years.  Now looking to be back into aeromodelling full time...

vishaltale

Dear Members,
The Anti-Terrorism Squad (ATS) in INDIA had recently made contact with me. And asked to help with issue of drone regulations and possible future threat to citizens through RC Drones. The questions they are asking are capability of Drones carrying IEDs , how are these imported into the country, what are the channels drones are being distributed. who are the people operating them. any thoughts on that.

anilntny


sharlock

Finally looks like its happening...  But why do you have to start a new thread for this..  when there is already a thread for DGCA.

roshan.dixit

Guys i told you it will take some time but ,As we know DGCA refers to the international aviation authorities so there will be the same rules followed up in US,AUS, etc , As they dont have time to do some research and than formulate the rules ! Its India!   RESEARCH is a word not spoken by researchers  , but POLITICIANS AND BUREAUCRATS  so , EX Indian constitution composed of various constitutions , So relax they are not going to ban us , but it may take them the ages to formulate clear rules !!

sanjayrai55

I guess if everyone followed these things would have been better


chintal

Rcmumbai.com
Passion is Airborne

sundaram

http://gizmodo.com/9-misconceptions-about-drones-that-engineers-wish-youd-1709827612

9 Misconceptions About Drones That Engineers Wish You'd Shut Up About

1. They're not actually called drones, nor quadcopters
2. The biggest danger from drones isn't invasion of privacy
3. They're not all killing machines
4. They can't take down planes
5. You can't hear them coming a mile away
6. They don't need a human controlling them
7. They are not toys
8. Jamming their signals doesn't take them down
9. They won't be delivering your mail (or your pizza) anytime soon
Nice read :)

docnayeem


joeblack

#297
I know this is not something new to us, but how long can we ignore such actions? sooner or later we need to find some solution for this.

Your valuable inputs in this regards are most welcomed.

please read on.....

http://www.punemirror.in/pune/civic/Police-dont-want-unidentified-objects-flying-in-city-skies/articleshow/47695356.cms
Airplane:
Easy Star II,
Fokker
Su 37,
P51 D Mustang,
Mig 7
Slow Stick

Multyrotors:
Reptile quad with DJI Naja v1
Quad copter with APM 2.6 board/Ublox Neo 6M GPS
Quad copter with KK2 board

santanucus

This is getting out of hand. If this goes on soon everybody flying a drone (call it a quadcopter if you like but police will not listen) will be branded a criminal. I am not in Pune but I'm afraid that soon other police agencies in India will follow suit.

In one way, granting permission is good. But how "liberal" is that permission remains to be seen. Probably they are not aware of DGCA notification else they wouldn't have granted that "permission" either.

tantragna

Just replace the word 'guns' to 'RC crafts', and you might get the feel of how they think of us! Listen carefully till he talks about drugs, then it is absolutely apt equally to our nice hobby. But again, not as serious issue as guns, so take it easy..