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[Admin Note]  The issues discussed arise from a misunderstanding, and there is no intentional wrong doing on the part of the LHS.

Hi All,

Bad experience with Sai Krishna:  Very disappointed and Got abusive words from Mr. Sai Krishna over the phone.

Very sad day for me. With my reference, my cousin and his friends bought a Flysky 6ch radio for Rs. 2300/-  from Mr Sai Krishna on last Sunday. There is no proper box for TX and just handover Tx to my cousin in bubble cover.  When my cousin (a beginner) asked him to check the radio weather its working fine or not, He just inserted batteries in Tx and showed them that the light is glowing and said that "the tx is working....that's it!".  ( He also told,  that it will work as simulator also I'm not sure about it).

After coming to home, When we connected the Tx with RX and the channel 2 control is responding on throttle stick (We tried all possible steps, changing the channels on Rx). I believe that the Tx was originally mode 1 and He changed to mode 2. (which he did not mentioned) but some software settings did not changed according to Mode 2.

Same day Immediately I called Mr krishna and asked him that did you changed TX MODE, He said NO. , Told him the problem which we are facing, as usual he is not showing interest to listen on our problem and i believe that he does not have any knowledge about the stuff which he is selling, However, I've managed to explain the problem. He asked us to return the Tx and told me if every thing is good then
only , I'll try to replace it. I said OK and I'll be coming tomorrow morning. He said OK. When i called him next day, on the Way
to his house (where he do the business), He said I'm not at home , I am at outstation ,  come in the evening (He is in city only and he had word with one of my friend on the same day just few hours before of my call to him and then i got to know that he is with in the city only).

I told Mr sai,  my cousin and his friends need the Tx very urgent as they came from very far from the city,  only for Tx,  and they have college project, so please arrange some how,  He was careless, not wish to meet . I also told Mr Sai, that you would have checked complete Tx condition before selling it to us with little disappointment, as we are spending additional money for travelling to your home and waiting for you. asked him to replace Tx immediately by arranging some one arrange for this at his home, as my cousin had to travel back to his place and need to prepare for college project.  The interest he showed before selling the Tx, He did not showed after i asked him that it looks like there is a problem with Tx.
 
He just stared saying, in BIG TONE " I'M NOT AT MY HOME, HOW MANY TIMES SHOULD I TELL YOU, IF YOU WANT , YOU HAVE TO WAIT, NEED IS YOURS, WHAT A HEAD ACHE YOU ARE FOR ME, YOU ARE THE WASTE OF TIME FOR ME. WHAT WILL YOU DO IF I'LL NOT REPLACE IT?,  WHAT WILL YOU DO IF I SAY YOU DID SOME THING TO TX AND COMING FOR REPLACE WHAT WILL YOU DO? and disconnected my call.

I Lost my temper and Patience with all his talk and careless behaviour over the phone and with all his bleady threatening words and challenges, I called him back and asked him WITH BIG TONE WHY DID YOU DISCONNECTED MY CALL,  He answered me,  WHAT WILL YOU DO?  I Told him IN TONE "I'LL KICK YOUR YAS" in Telugu language if he is not going to replace it right away. He started abusing me like in these words.... ,  The words he used to abused were........  bleep bleep bleep , etc.. and threatened me like hell. Crazy fellow he forgot that he also has a mother.     I've repeated the same abusing words from my end which i completely lost my cool....!   I feel Sorry about it now.


Sorry friends for mentioning abusive words here, I had to report this to all of you..!

My intention to post this issue here is,  Be very care full with Sai Krishna,

Any customer spent some money on any product, He has all the right to expect few things and expect things/issues to solve immediately,  As a true seller, He Should have the patience to handle customer quires and can be able to convince the customer, all the top of it,  Should be very respectable towards his customers.   

Please be care full dealing with this Guy as i believe he is not a true Rc Hobbyist and he dues not have knowledge about what he sells.  He is here to make profit on this hobby  and to cheat people who are especially beginners. 

I look forward for his comments here......!

Kind Regards,
Naresh

[Moderator Edit] Obvious masked cursing edited out.

Naresh bro what problem exactly you are facing? I have same radio. So your throttle stick responding to channel-2?

Yes bro,  The problem solved now with help of a respected friend of mine who has good experiance,  He changed mode in software.  Tx was changed mode 1 to 2 and settings were not changed.

Quote from: naresh on September 04, 2012, 12:43:43 PM
He changed mode in software. Tx was changed mode 1 to 2 and settings were not changed.

It's not very difficult to change it from mode 1 to 2 (or vice-versa) in the software. You double-click on T6config.exe, drag your pointer to a box that reads 'MODE', click on it once, and click on the text 'MODE 2/1' in the small window that appears. ALL this only if you've got the cable with you and drivers and t6config installed.

Yes Hyd_quads, i know now, Thanks.  But the seller should have checked it carefully if he knows and also should have told us that the mode was changed to 2 from 1, and he also would have suggested me to change the settings in software when i called him with my issue, but he failed in each step.  And gave me great gifts in the form of abusive words....!

I am sad about the way he treated me... so thought to share this with all..!

Sorry to hear about this experience.

I purchased the same model transmitter from RcBazzar [2577/- including shipping] two weeks back. The parcel was shipped the same day and I got it in my hand the next day. I was so impressed by the packing. The transmitter was sent to me in two boxes. The transmitter was inside a bubble bag put inside the original transmitter box. This box was wrapped excellent using two huge soft plastic cover and this was placed inside another box. All the reciever, binding plug, cable everything was placed secure and safe. They made the purchase of my first ever Radio a memorable one actually. I am not sure if they pack every item like this, but I really feel sorry for your experience when you can have better options.

a lot of these type of complaints these days . thats why always buy from renowned shops that have been around for some time, i had a similiar problem one of my radio from rcbazaar,,, the radio buttons stopped working in 15 mins aftr using the radio. called them and went to the shop, rcbazaar replaced it without a single question.

Haven't heard the other side of the
story yet... but if you have a genuine grievance, please use the Trader Feedback system here to make your point.

Nice to hear that pravesh,   Good job done by RcBazaar.

Quote from: pravesh736 on September 04, 2012, 04:35:59 PM
a lot of these type of complaints these days . thats why always buy from renowned shops

Yes, My experiance may save others....!

Quote from: anwar on September 04, 2012, 04:53:06 PM
Haven't heard the other side of the story yet...

Yes Anwar,  I am egarly awaiting for him to comment here, I took 2 days off from my work to discuss this matter on the forum, If you notice that i'll be online from many hours and also i'll try to be online till tomorrow.

Quote from: anwar on September 04, 2012, 04:53:06 PM
but if you have a genuine grievance, please use the Trader Feedback system here to make your point.

Apologize Anwar bhai, I din't get this ,  "Trader Feedback system ". 

I guess he meant to post in here ? --> Trader Feedback System  (http://www.rcindia.org/trader/?sa=submit;id=2395)


but it refers to some one named hemanthtguru?   :headscratch:

Thanks dear ebinmoothedam,  I saw Trader Feedback system thread.  Anwar bhai, If this thread should need to be moved there, I request you to move there bhai please. 

Quote from: anwar on September 04, 2012, 04:53:06 PM
Haven't heard the other side of the
story yet...

Anwar bhai,  I'm sure he will be seing this discussion in Invisible mode. 

  do this mail belong to him rcbharat??

or this address

Srinivasa Rao
2-45, Sathyanarayanapuram
Hyderabad-500060
India

May be Vineet. Yes, Pulipaka Sai Krishna.

ok i have this no also [Admin Note] Personal phone number deleted

Quote from: vineet on September 04, 2012, 05:58:24 PM
ok i have this no also ...

Not sure.  But i have his contact #

if some body from here can assure about the above address and phone no. then i would also add some thing other wise i do not want to add anything to the topic

Yes Its confirmed ,  Just check his site  http://www.rcbharat.com/contact-us,  and he has many contact #,  check his face book acct as well,

mod edit
repeated reference to name edited

There are other respected people who also has few experiences from this guy, that will be shared soon by them....expecting.

yes i can see now and it is confirmed ,

naresh i can understand your pain ,
i want to add some thing from my side now .
first the guy called me up and requested me for sending the some stuff he wants to buy from me by 24 hours service , as we all know that the premium express service has its extra charges  , i understood the problem of him as sent the parcel by going my self to the courier office (usually parcels are picked by the dtdc executives from my office ) as i want to ship it on request asap.

i already received the payment except the shipping charges as he told me that he has already deposited for the normal postage and the rest will deposit tomorrow, from that day i am calling him , mailing him but no response from his side

i do not want to start any individual thread as there was only 120 rs involved in that, but
i want to thankyou now naresh as just because of your thread i got helped.

Quote from: vineet on September 04, 2012, 06:25:31 PM
i want to thankyou now naresh as just because of your thread i got helped.

Not a prob. Vineet bhai, even i ignored one issue from same guy before this deal.

I bought one model just a kit for Rs 2000 and one Mystry motor for Rs 1000 before from sai krishna Rc bharat, Model airplane v2 is perfect becouse it was built by Roopeshkrishna,  However,  the motor which was supplied was very poor in quality and when i installed the motor in model V2 and tested just giving half throttle, It has got vibration and coming out from given motor mount and melted the wires, and i've told him this issue, but no proper responce and was told that,  "You are the only customer who is giving complaint on this motor, as i have sold #1000 motors and no one came up with any issue" .  I take this easy and compromised. But after that again this issue happend.  So cant stop to post this thread. 

Welcome sai, Finally reading this thread...

I have mixed feelings about this episode. Perhaps the full picture is yet to be painted and presented.

1. Why would I let my cousin buy a TX/Rx from a seller who has responded, "You are the only customer who is giving complaint on this motor, as i have sold #1000 motors and no one came up with any issue." I would never ever deal with that person again.

2. Who started the abusive / foul language?

3. We have expectations from our LHS's that they will function with the same efficiency as MNC's. However, most of them are owned and managed by single persons. It may not be possible for them to tend to each one of us promptly. People can have more pressing / urgent matters when they are not able to attend to all complaining customers at once. I don't know if Sai had any such preoccupations.

4. I have personally dealt with Sai on many occasions and I've always found his behaviour to be polite and courteous.

+1 with VC on this, incl dealing with Mr Sai Krishna, Got a trainer from him flawless transaction, However i understand your agony Naresh, and you know i dont take such things lightly, demeaning someone (Anyone) is not acceptable and cannot be tolerated.

I agree with Anwar Bhai that Sai's side of the story is missing to complete the picture.

Who drew the first blood ? same question that VC has, i have.

He gave you choicest of abuse so did you, two wrongs don't make a right, i am sure you agree with me. assume you had exercised patience, then the story is different.

Which brings me to the last point, dont mind my saying so, this does appear like, two children fought in the school, eventually, they broke up or made up depending on the maturity of the individuals (We are guilty as charged too on this count)

Kiss and make up,  ;) will be my advice

Yeah and the world will be a gay and happy place!

Gosh these are horror stories. Thanks for sharing guys :)

Quote from: VC on September 04, 2012, 07:45:15 PM
1. Why would I let my cousin buy a TX/Rx from a seller who has responded, "You are the only customer who is giving complaint on this motor, as i have sold #1000 motors and no one came up with any issue." I would never ever deal with that person again.

Yes absolutely wrong decision VC sir, Reason is,  My cousin and his friends needs the Tx very urgent and he could not wait for more time.  other wise i would have get it from RcBazaar,  but it he could not wait, he has to leave to his place that night and prepare for his project.

Quote from: VC on September 04, 2012, 07:45:15 PM
2. Who started the abusive / foul language?

Started Exactly what was mentioned in my 1st post,  All his words and BIG TONE and asking me again and again that, WHAT WILL YOU DO , WHAT WILL YOU DO and all thretening talk made me to give answer ("I'LL KICK YOUR YAS").

Quote from: VC on September 04, 2012, 07:45:15 PM
3. We have expectations from our LHS's that they will function with the same efficiency as MNC's. However, most of them are owned and managed by single persons. It may not be possible for them to tend to each one of us promptly. People can have more pressing / urgent matters when they are not able to attend to all complaining customers at once. I don't know if Sai had any such preoccupations.

VC sir,  The same words which he would have told me, when i called him while going to his place and requested for arrange TX some How,  This situation would not come.  More over if he would have spoken softly , this deal would have solved without delay and any issue.  (He would have told me just change the MODE settings of TX).
My expectation was not high end and more over,  after he said ok to come tomorrow, then only we started going to his house, and i dont think so he is so busy and had very stress, and more over, He also told us , he is giving 24/7 service and he will be having sales team meetings every day and every weeks.  He would have arranged some one to solve my issue,  More over, First he should have given respect to me and my issue.
I've asked him whether he has the stock or not over the phone, He said Yes, then i did not asked him whether its working or not (Thatz my fault),  Few things may be all of sudden needed for people, but should not take advantage on this.

Quote from: VC on September 04, 2012, 07:45:15 PM
4. I have personally dealt with Sai on many occasions and I've always found his behaviour to be polite and courteous.

That was nice Sir. I had same feeling before,  but i never thought that  " Infront there is a crocodile festival".

Quote from: VC on September 04, 2012, 07:45:15 PM
I have mixed feelings about this episode. Perhaps the full picture is yet to be painted and presented.

VC sir, no offence.  I dint feel mixed feelings from your side...  ;>), just forgive me sir.

Dear Naresh

Extremely sorry for having put you through so much of trouble.
I had been summoned by the customs officials and the harassment was enough to drive me crazy.Anyways I don't need to explain all those here, as the issue is different.
As pointed out by VC and rcpilotacro, I did not start abusing you. You did. Even now I'm prepared to refund you the full price or give you a new set in perfect working condition only if would apologise on the forum and admit that you used abusive language first
I always have my goodwill towards my customers and I would like to retain it.

Dear Vineet
I have not received any calls or messages from you.
Please do tell me the exact amount I owe you and I'll pay it right now.

My apologies to all.
Thanks to all my well wishers and their support.
 

Bravo! Great spirit Sai.

Quote from: VC on September 04, 2012, 08:56:47 PM
Bravo! Great spirit Sai.

Thanks very much Sir.

sorry for the trouble caused you rc bharat, may be you did not received my mails  ,as you cannot trust on computer more on human .

i think as the problem has been solved for every body its time to end this thread

Quote from: vineet on September 04, 2012, 09:00:21 PM
please see the attached pic you will find that how many time i have mailed you , and even call you

Please check your PM.

Quote from: rcpilotacro on September 04, 2012, 08:10:52 PM
I agree with Anwar Bhai that Sai's side of the story is missing to complete the picture.

Thats why i've also wrote as im looking for his comments as well,  end of my 1st post

Quote from: rcpilotacro on September 04, 2012, 08:10:52 PM
He gave you choicest of abuse so did you, two wrongs don't make a right, i am sure you agree with me. assume you had exercised patience, then the story is different.

Gusty sir,  He is responsible who made me so crazy that i couldnt controll my self at all, and dint get chance for choice. as after hearing the words WHAT CAN YOU DO  Repeatedly with other telugu Georgans, when im trying to say this is not the way to speak with customer,

Quote from: rcpilotacro on September 04, 2012, 08:10:52 PM
Which brings me to the last point, dont mind my saying so, this does appear like, two children fought in the school, eventually, they broke up or made up depending on the maturity of the individuals (We are guilty as charged too on this count)
Kiss and make up,  ;) will be my advice

Gusty sir,  I'll never mind,  Thanks alot to you, VC and other friends for your comments and thoughts,

;>), ( two children fought in the school, ) :  :) In RC School,  I did not have any personal glitches on sai before, and the way he " treated me over the phone" is my concern and felt bad thatz why i've posted . and should'nt be happend.

sorry for the trouble caused you rc bharat, may be you did not received my mails  ,as you cannot trust on computer more on human .

i think as the problem has been solved for every body its time to end this thread

Thank you Vineet. :hatsoff:

Appreciate your good sprits :hatsoff: :hatsoff:

Quote from: naresh on September 04, 2012, 08:33:15 PM

That was nice Sir. I had same feeling before,  but i never thought that  " Infront there is a crocodile festival".

On a lighter note: Is that a local touch guru! 'Infront there is crocodile festival..' Telugus would get that. :rofl:

Quote from: RcBharat on September 04, 2012, 08:51:54 PM
I did not start abusing you. You did. 

What are the words you used when you started talking to me is not at all your fault? you light up the situation bro,  More over,  Who started abusing F*** your m*****, and BA****d word,  Did you realized what you have spoken ,  but now your are so polite on forum and the way you sounds amazing.  And why should i apologize,  i should have asked you that question.  and no need to refund,  my only request is please watch your words and do not tempt customers and treat all the customers equally and give respect. 

Quote from: VC on September 04, 2012, 08:56:47 PM
Bravo! Great spirit Sai.

VC sir,  Please understand our sprit as well  ;>),  Give some boost to me as well sir. :>)

hello naresh bro.  the way these LHS people deal in personal and in the forum are quite different!!!!!!
these people(not only rc bharath for ex. hemanth guru) are quite polite in the forum because there business is linked with the forum members.

""Dear Naresh

Extremely sorry for having put you through so much of trouble.
I had been summoned by the customs officials and the harassment was enough to drive me crazy.Anyways I don't need to explain all those here, as the issue is different.
As pointed out by VC and rcpilotacro, I did not start abusing you. You did. Even now I'm prepared to refund you the full price or give you a new set in perfect working condition only if would apologise on the forum and admit that you used abusive language first
I always have my goodwill towards my customers and I would like to retain it.""
all the members are requested t know what made naresh to start such words!!!!!
even though as naresh started such words he (sai) cant abuse his(naresh) mom.how can he behave like dat with customers???????
im sorry if i spoke anything wrong...........

naresh and sai AND vineet, all ij bell that ends bell!! ;) bravo to all of you

Quote from: rcpilotacro on September 04, 2012, 09:43:22 PM
naresh and sai AND vineet, all ij bell that ends bell!! ;) bravo to all of you

Yes sure , all iz well sir, but dont know when will the bell ends...!  ;>)

May be i can go office tomorrow without any bell ringing in my mind.... hope so....!  ;>)

Hope he takes all his words back...!

Naresh, you have every right to voice your anguish on the forum. No points deducted for that. Sorry if I patted only Sai for apologising. I think this thread will serve as a caution to all LHS about their behaviour with customers in future.

rcpilotacro - mind your language. I found some spelling mistakes in your last post. Please rectify them to read - "Aaaal eej bell." :giggle:

Naresh /Sai, I seriously feel you guys should meet each other and sort this out over a beer. Believe me, once upon a time sworn enemies can turn into invaluable dear friends once you have expunged the bad blood. After all, life is too short and it is our love for this hobby that binds us. Passion sometimes overtakes courtesy and decorum.

Meet each other and sort it out. Someday you will laugh over this episode. Trust me on this. :hatsoff:

I would say thank full to all of you as, seniors like you and Gusty sir , Anwar bhai and all others, sahring your views, are help full.  Defenetly all the forum members are assert to RC India and for me.

No hard feeling on any one, and VC sir about spelling mistakes.....It happends some time sir.

To write this post i did so many mistakes, apologize for that.  ;>)

The part about Spelling Mistakes was not meant for you.  :giggle:

Read the post carefully!

Quote from: VC on September 04, 2012, 09:54:15 PM
Naresh, you have every right to voice your anguish on the forum. No points deducted for that. Sorry if I patted only Sai for apologising. I think this thread will serve as a caution to all LHS about their behaviour with customers in future.

rcpilotacro - mind your language. I found some spelling mistakes in your last post. Please rectify them to read - "Aaaal eej bell."

Naresh /Sai, I seriously feel you guys should meet each other and sort this out over a beer. Believe me, once upon a time sworn enemies can turn into invaluable dear friends once you have expunged the bad blood. After all, life is too short and it is our love for this hobby that binds us. Passion sometimes overtakes courtesy and decorum.

Meet each other and sort it out. Someday you will laugh over this episode. Trust me on this. :hatsoff:

Muuuuu.....If bear is there, I dont mine seriously, but bill should pay by other party.... :>)

Yes this is true sir, life is too short and it is our love for this hobby that binds us. and same time we should keep up.

Bear, crocodile - what forum is this? Nat Geo????

Come on Sai! Where are you? At least confirm the beer - right here and now! Be a sport. :thumbsup:

Quote from: VC on September 04, 2012, 10:06:13 PM
The part about Spelling Mistakes was not meant for you.  :giggle:

Read the post carefully!

Yes i got you, but im supporting Gusty sir.... just  to make this comment cool

Quote from: VC on September 04, 2012, 10:08:42 PM
Bear, crocodile - what forum is this? Nat Geo????

;>), Rc India, really sorry , my error.   as i said this is part of my spell mistakes sir.  *  Beer.

Sai - I am requesting you - meet Naresh halfway, he is ready to put all this behind us and smile. When and where is the beer being served?

Sir
I'm ready anytime.

And Naresh
Don't worry on the bill. I do own a bar too...

Hope we can have some good time with " KING OF GOOD TIMES"

Ai Ai yooooo! I wish I was there too! Gusty, coming? {:)} {:)} {:)} {:)} {:)} {:)}

Why can't all disputes be sorted out like this?

Well done Naresh / Sai -  :hatsoff:

Quote from: VC on September 04, 2012, 10:19:48 PM
Ai Ai yooooo! I wish I was there too! Gusty, coming? {:)} {:)} {:)} {:)} {:)} {:)}

Why can't all disputes be sorted out like this?

Well done Naresh / Sai -  :hatsoff:

Picture abhi baki hi Sir,  It will compelete only after the drinks, You should join us....  ;>)

Thank you sir...!

Wow! Strange ending to this thread. I'm glad all is well and every one is planning for a party now, after exchanging some intimate dialogue >:D
But just to be on the safe side i'd rather not deal with this LHS :thumbsdown: and that's what i'm gonna recommend to my friends at the field.

On lighter note
Children <18 reading this, things can be sorted out without even a beer. Don't tell your parents that VC told us have some beer after an issue.  ;) ;D :o

Dear Naresh, it is very sad to hear about a hot argument with Sai (RCbharat), as a seller, he would have easily settled this matter with a gesture of what went wrong exactly, and not by saying, "you are a big headache to me",

Dear sai, i wish you to have word with him, as you might know he is a serious flyer  :)

I would love to join you with Gusty, but in this case three (or four) would be a crowd. Enjoy yourselves. Have one each on Gusty and me and send us the bill.

Sunlikestar - PLEASE let this one slide - happiness all around. Let's not spoil this. A humble request.

ahh...i feel like i watched a movie !

Quote from: ebinmoothedam on September 04, 2012, 10:43:39 PM
ahh...i feel like i watched a movie !

;>),  Picture abhi bakhi hi....!

On a less flippant note, a Forum Administrator has given a  :thumbsdown: to a LHS even after his public apology. I am sure the LHS owner could have posted his own version and fanned the flames. He chose not to do so, the buyer also graciously offered to be pacified, the seller agreed - all is well that ends well. Why prolong this issue? Why publicly vilify the LHS by posting that as a Forum Administrator you would not not trust this LHS and would advise your associates to desist from dealing with him?

To all Forum Administrators, responsibility has been thrust upon you and you have accepted it. Please be aware of your power and position here before you take sides, afaik, you are supposed to take a neutral stand. We, the other mere mortals here, can afford to take sides (right or wrong) and have biased views about people, organisations and events - that is our freedom. As far as you are concerned, your responsibility is to drum some sense into our thick heads and maintain order here. Your job is NOT to add fuel to a fire - especially when the fire has been quenched.

Correct me if I am wrong. I ain't no diplomat, I ain't no Forum Administrator, I ain't no Barrack Obama.  :-\ I just shoot from my hips (and my lips). >:D

Yes, definitely agree to what VC just mentioned.

I was about to post on this but VC put in the message before I could. The admins on every forums are kept for a reason and its not a privilege but a duty to make sure the thread progresses in a healthy way within the bounds of forum rules. The members may or may not bias on the topic of discussion as the thread gains momentum. The admin has the power the stop or move the thread, but a biasing comment will simply unbalance the point of discussion and render the outcome with useless facts.

A bunch of such threads in a national wide forum will make the forum useless so admins have to be very careful in order to keep up with the quality of the forum articles..

What has this to do with me being an Administrator : ???
Did I modify any post? Have I moved or delete this thread? Did I ban someone? Did I locked/unlocked the thread?
Rule of moderation dictates that no moderation should be done on a conflict thread as Anwar's has claimed full responsibility of moderation in such scenario. Other than that I'm free to post my opinion.

Even tho I take tremendous amount of pride to wear this badge, but I'll let go of it in a snap to be able to post my opinion freely.

With great power comes big responsibilities and you should be careful when you use your powers.

An admin posting --> "But just to be on the safe side i'd rather not deal with this LHS  and that's what i'm gonna recommend to my friends at the field." is like a big blow right on the face to whoever is being "victimized" when half of us don't even know the other part of story. 

Rules of moderation are true, but since you wear the badge, your opinions should not reflect biasing. You can always deliver your opinion on a neutral platform. I just rephrased your opinion "But just to be on the safe side, i'd rather advice my friends at the field that such things do happen and we should keep an eye when dealing with the LHS"

Why neutral? Who decides what is neutral? Why should I lie that i'm going to advice my friends "we should keep an eye when dealing with the LHS" when I'm actually going to tell them never buy from this guy.

+ 1 Ebin, I couldn't have been more apt.

Mr. F.A. first cast off the mantle and then post. Don't promise to sacrifice if/when required.

Did you seek the truth by asking Sai for his version - No.
Did you clarify any issues with both parties - No.
Did you offer to mediate - No.
Did you respect the fact that the two affected parties had patched up - No.
Did you act in the best interest of the forum - NO. You took a side that you 'felt' was right and chose to broadcast your views in public. If Naresh was/is so inclined, he can go around tom tomming, "the FA has endorsed my point and has admonished the seller publicly". I don't think that is done.

Your responsibility does not only end with wielding the baton and "modifying, deleting, banning, locking" etc. It is ALSO your responsibilty to carry yourself with dignity and maturity (Irrespective of your chronological age) so that the forum members repose their trust and faith in you. Anwar Sahab is a perfect role model here. No matter how trying and transparent a dispute might be, he can play the devil's advocate and put in a good word for both parties.

Learn, young man, learn. I can't help quoting "With great power comes great responsibility". The responsibility to not only say what is required but to also not say that which should remain unsaid. How come I don't see you posting your authority over another post where a person is offering to sell a used, scruffed up brushed motor for Rs.3000/- + shipping, where as a brand new unit is available for Rs. 2000/- inclusive of shipping? He is also arguing his case ceaselessly, brashly even after this has been pointed out. Doesn't the FA have a role to play here as well? Or is this some kind of personal vendetta being sorted out here on this thread?

Sunlikestar, perhaps you will dislike me for this post, I frankly don't give a damn. Sleep over it and tomorrow when things are cooler, you will see that there is some sense in what I have written.

As I type this, I see that you have posted a new reply to Ebin's post and I feel sorry for you now.

Don't feel sorry :) as i've said before and in my answer to RcBharats Pm also, i don't feel personally about any thing happening here hence I am able to say what I say. I don't have to answer those big list of questions. Like I said before, I consider my self a member of the forum and can post what ever I like. I don't login to play admin here and if the admin rights are an handicap then I'm better off without it.

Also request you to not go personal over this and keep my age and maturity out of the discussion.

I'm sorry. I must have misunderstood the forum rules and regulations, I blame my chronological age for that. After all you are one of the designated 'Powers' and can surely do as you like. Put on, take off, post, withhold, whatever. You have surely earned yourself a lot of admirers today and have successfully made me look like a fool. Thanks Boss.

I withdraw.

What did I do now ??? I am sorry but I am not trying to make any one look like a fool. I'am just saying that I'll always have an opinion and I cannot be neutral, just like in this post (http://www.rcindia.org/rc-events/vector-2011-the-biggest-ever-aeromodelling-camp-in-india/msg79374/#msg79374). The only thing which has changed is now I am an admin.

For that I want Anwar to consider this post as my formal resignation from all moderation duties, not a big deal at all :) but don't force me to be neutral when i'm not.

Quote from: ebinmoothedam on September 04, 2012, 10:43:39 PM
ahh...i feel like i watched a movie !

Now you've got a movie :P

Holy S**t,

all this happended while i was sleeping ?

VC
a point i tend to agree with Amit is that, Mod/Admin should not tie one down to express what one wants to, for example, iamhuman (Taking this liberty), was quite active earlier, since the time he has been made the mod (Apparently for car lovers, or he presumed so), he has sort of confined himself to those threads (I brought out this point with him in one of the thread). Like i said to Mr Propfella, it just didn't matter how i looked at the forum before and after mod, i am neither judging nor saying whatever amit said is right or wrong, i am just saying..

Quote from: SunLikeStar on September 05, 2012, 01:24:53 AM
What did I do now ??? I am sorry but I am not trying to make any one look like a fool. I'am just saying that I'll always have an opinion and I cannot be neutral, just like in this post (http://www.rcindia.org/rc-events/vector-2011-the-biggest-ever-aeromodelling-camp-in-india/msg79374/#msg79374). The only thing which has changed is now I am an admin.

For that I want Anwar to consider this post as my formal resignation from all moderation duties, not a big deal at all :) but don't force me to be neutral when i'm not.

Just because one is an admin does not mean that he loses all voice as an ordinary member on the forum.  The admin here expressed his opinion as an ordinary member, nothing wrong with that.  If he said "I implore everyone to stay away from this store AND I SAY THIS AS AN ADMIN", then it is different.  If he edited someone's post to reflect his personal feelings on an issue, then it is different.  Otherwise, admins are members, and they will behave so.  If their "moderation actions" (like editing posts) come into any sort of conflict, only then it needs to be escalated.

I personallyfeel, VC is exaggerating over this issue. No offense.

Sorry for Interrupting. but i personally feel, The thread is going in wrong way and off topic.
Request for no prolonging the topic.



Thanks for consideration..... 8-)

Some points for thought.

1.  Had the store owner responded the same way he responded on this thread, none of this would have happened.

2.  No matter what the provocation from the client/customer, a store owner cannot resort to bad words or name calling.  That is the first mark of professionalism, that is what separates the men from the boys.  If you ever worked in a call center, this is one of the first things they train you on (and they get lots of disgruntled customers).

3.  Literally, "customer is king"... but that does not mean you cannot take a stance against illogical/unjust demands.  How you express that stance is what determines your future.

Hope this thread ends here, with everyone learning something from it.

" But just to be on the safe side i'd rather not deal with this LHS  and that's what i'm gonna recommend to my friends at the field. "

For many, including myself, this felt like a strong message from an admin person which was enough to change the focus of the topic in discussion.

SunLikeStar - You earned this position and you don't have to step down just because few people including myself put in our views. In anyways if I did hinder your duties in administration of this forum, I apologize.

And yes, this is really like a movie to me !  {:)}

"Friends at the field"... not on the forum.  Being an admin should not prevent him from saying what he said.

And a note to the members here... admins are human, we all make mistakes from time to time.  Do not look at us as the last word on anything, except for help with issues that are purely forum issues.  We cannot and will not be the final word on person-to-person transactions.  Our words in such threads are like just like anyone else on this forum.

+1 Anwar Sir.
What everyone here heard about is only one side of the story. I decided not to post reasons or excuses supporting my side because I personally feel apologies are rewarded not excuses.

I also pray that this thread will not let a few to generalize on us because
1. The buyer was happy with my price.
2. The buyer was happy with his trade with me prior to this. That is the reason he returned back to buy from me.
3. The product sold was not damaged or a faulty one as clearly mentioned buy the buyer.
4. There wasn't any fraud involved.

The buyer wasn't happy with the after sales support because I was handling a bigger issues at that moment and promised to get back to him the same day just a few hours later which the buyer was not ready to accept. I still admit I shouldn't had lost my cool even through I was forced to do and could had handled this better for which I asked apology publicly.

There are days when people voluntary posted positive feedback on us in this same forum and I look at this issue on the same spirit.

I would take this opportunity to thanks all our well wishes and stakeholders who spent their time to post the reviews. This is never let us down instead increase our customer service quality.

Few points that I would like to make here:

1. Though it seemed that I was 'attacking' Sunlikestar personally, that is far from the truth. He is a person that I have interacted with pleasantly on several occassions. If my posts lead to his 'resignation' that would be very unfortunate.

2. No Himank, I am NOT exaggerating this issue. Read on and you will know.

3. SLS, you pointed out a rather nostalgic milestone thread in reply # 70. One which has bitter sweet memories for me. I remember feeling extremely thrilled with your post then and had had a very strong desire to broadcast to all forum members, "See I stand vindicated by SLS, who is one of the 'officials' of the forum. That means the entire Forum is backing me." I was upset that your reply # 56 came in at a time when the story was well on its way to a happy ending. The rarely used emoticon  :thumbsdown: added unnecessary fuel to a dying flame.  I understand that from your point of view, you did the right thing, however, I hope you see it from my point of view too.

4. rcpilotacro - Your actions against Propfella are entirely justified. That guy was way off the mark. :thumbsup:

What really got my goat was this issue about pseudo consumerism in India. When we get good service, we rarely make an issue out of it, even if we do, the others have a 'ho hum' attitude about it. For example :

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-outlets-and-resellers/excellent-service-from-aero-engineering-works!/

I posted this on the 1st. of Sept. People read it, nobody commented and it slid down and vanished into obscurity within a few hours. Are we to assume that VC was the ONLY customer who received good service from Mr. Vasudev and team? I notice it has resurfaced today with two worthies complimenting the LHS. The thread has been viewed 112 times and elicited 2 responses in 5 days. This thread, on the other hand, has been viewed 895 times and elicited 78 responses within 24 hours. Get the drift?

However, once we don't get what we want, all we need to do is to post a tirade and EVERYONE will join the party. That is what I am talking about.

I am not about to tender any apologies to anyone. I only hope that people who feel that I am exaggerating the issue, or taking sides, will be able to read this entirely and form a different opinion now.

Quote from: RcBharat on September 05, 2012, 08:58:15 AM
+1 Anwar Sir.
What everyone here heard about is only one side of the story. I decided not to post reasons or excuses supporting my side because I personally feel apologies are rewarded not excuses.

Please dont mind, as things or issue started again,  I was Just trying to get a clarity.

My dear friend Sai,  again why saying one side story,  did any one stop you to justify the story?  here

Quote from: RcBharat on September 05, 2012, 08:58:15 AM
1. The buyer was happy with my price.
2. The buyer was happy with his trade with me prior to this. That is the reason he returned back to buy from me.
3. The product sold was not damaged or a faulty one as clearly mentioned buy the buyer.
4. There wasn't any fraud involved.

Is this is a self feed back ? 
Ive also mentioned in my earlier post that, the reason for going back to buy Tx from him, is our need,  and becouse of my cousins urgency....thats it

Quote from: RcBharat on September 05, 2012, 08:58:15 AM
3. The product sold was not damaged or a faulty one as clearly mentioned buy the buyer.

clearly mentioned?, common if its working fine why should we discuss all this here, Problem was one channel was not responding correctly. Which ive asked you same thing over the call.  The first answer from you was It should work, I have personally checked it, my answer was, I just checked it and Channel 2 responding on throttle stick, i dont know what the problem is (I belive problem occur becouse, TX mode changed from 1 to 2 and which you did not informed me).  You said, Get the radio and will look into it next day.  But things went wrong next day.....
Things should have have handled smoothly, but as you are in customs hassel or may be with some other stress... things gone crazy...!

Quote from: RcBharat on September 05, 2012, 08:58:15 AM
The buyer wasn't happy with the after sales support because I was handling a bigger issues at that moment and promised to get back to him the same day just a few hours later which the buyer was not ready to accept. I still admit I shouldn't had lost my cool even through I was forced to do and could had handled this better for which I asked apology publicly.

There are two points here,  #1, I was not told that you are handling some bigger issue, and i've asked you that you have sales team so you can arrange some one or else may be some one at home.  (Answer from you,  WHY SHOULD I BOTHER SOME BUDY BECOUSE OF YOU?,  NEED IS YOURS, YOU HAVE TO WAIT, WHAT A HEAD ACHE FROM YOU. and finally my call was disconnected.  (This is enoughf to lost cool from any budy) #2,  Who was forced to do or lost cool?

Quote from: RcBharat on September 05, 2012, 08:58:15 AM
There are days when people voluntary posted positive feedback on us in this same forum and I look at this issue on the same spirit.

I was asked to give feed back on this forum.

Sai, What ever happend to me, How much i've got hurt,  which made me to take 2 days off from work. Few people may understand,  May it looks like childs play or silly, but the words used........  Will never taken back nor will vanish with apologies,  and This is my first bad experiance i've ever faced with any other LHS,  or in person dealing.

Yes, I'm hear to learn, i will keep on learning things.....!

Thank you all,  What ever i felt i've just put it infront of you, as i felt this is my only forum which i can share....:)
Thanks a ton, all the people who responded and for views, suggestions.

Thank you so much Admin,  You corrected my post for better understanding to others.  Like colouring my answers, edits.  Thanks so much. Thanks to This Forum.  I'll try end up this here....! 

Quote from: RcBharat on September 04, 2012, 10:27:57 PM
Don't tell your parents that VC told us have some beer after an issue.  ;) ;D :o

You have my word, I won't! :D

None of the Vineets will be permitted to have beer (or bear) untill i say so (Or they are over 21 Y) period ;D

PS
For all and sundry, VC is a Teetotaler and a Vegetarian

PPS
In fauj Teetotalers and a Vegetarians are called virgins (Thank god this hobby presently is confined to all males, except for ofcourse Rathi :rofl: )

[To Whomsoever it may concern]

Sorry Buddy ! couldn't resist

VC  a teetotaler  :o Since when did this happen. Leaving us all alone, in the path of self purification  :giggle:

There are two people on this forum who are asking for some very serious trouble. "Somebody gonna get hurt real bad." Wait till I catch you gentlemen, I will practically demonstrate to you the meaning of 'Dutch Courage'.

Now PLEASE let this thread die.

i would have rather lead the thread to let die...  but now i really had a very bitter experience with  the same LHS....

i would say THE WORST LHS....

i ordered a flysky 4ch (only because it was out of stock at RCBazaar) i did not want to use but give it as a gift to a fellow flier for his bday... and setting up for his quad.

firstly i get the Tx in a brown box.. not the original one.. i ask him for the reason... gives an answer that they order 10-20 pcs under one box declaring it as one.... ACCEPTED (though his tone was arrogant)

next i had ordered mode 2  i get a mode 2 with only the spring and rachet interchanged... rest all on mode 1....

when i order mode2 i should get mode 2 as a whole...
if he wanted me to change the programming he should have given in the cable(not included)....
AGAIN THE SAME MISTAKE DONT WITH NARESH.....

anyways i had no cable ( being a futaba guy did not need one) so just converted it back to mode 1 and set the quad...

but i need an explanation to why are u selling such crappy stuff.... if u have mode 2 out of stock.. just say so... why do u open it up and change and send..?? so as of what i got.. i can say it is not a new one... but tampered item

a really bad experience dealing with RCBharath

Hello Mr Vishvesh Kakkeri

1. There is no programing cable given to a 4ch Remote and is only available for 6ch.

2. We use the Air mode of shipping the radios from China which is costlier that the seaways (which many LHS do) and so as to keep the     
    prices competitive we only import the radios without the boxes (which adds to the volume weight).

3. I seriously don't understand why people are complaining about the mode issue with this set of radios we imported and I suspect the 
    supplier for the same and will report the same to them. But one thing for sure is that your Radio is brand new and isn't opened.

4. If you are seriously not happy with the radio and you feel we aren't up to your mark, you can please return the item back to us and we'll offer you a full refund.

Thanks
SAI KRISHNA




         

returning is no option now... as its already been gifted....

but when u have issue with some one u should check all ur pieces for the same defect...

u gave an explanation for the box.. i agreeed...

but when it comes to this..!! what are we suppose to do... i do not have a programming cable... so now how do i change it to mode2 ...

for u it may be simple.. but a mode of the radio is is a huge issue....

if its ur supplier the u should have checked all ur packages.. any ways they dont come in sealed packing....

QuoteI seriously don't understand why people are complaining about the mode issue

whats there not to understand...  i ask something and get some thing else.... now give me a solution on how to change the mode of this radio....

If you're sure that your issue will be solved using a cable, I'll send you one for free.

Let me know if this is OK.

so if u say that the issue cannot be solved using a able... thn why did u sell me a mode1 stick converted mode 2in the first place.... when i clearly ordered mode 2..??

Quote from: AEROVISHWA on September 20, 2012, 11:54:10 PM
returning is no option now... as its already been gifted....

I really do not see a problem with returning it. In fact perhaps more so since it has been gifted. I  would think that the recipient would be only too happy to see the problem resolved for him/her. Get your refund and buy another from elsewhere.

Disclaimer: I do not know ANY of the directly concerned parties nor have I dealt with any of them.

@sushil. really liked your disclaimer..... with all the tempers and allegations flying about, I think it might be a good idea to start posting with disclaimers :D

guys i ordered some material from rcbharat on 6th januaray 2014worth 5000rs.on the next 8th day i got a wrong parcel with a mystery 2200kv motor 3 gold connectors and 4 neylon clevisis worth 1000rs.which i have never ordered.i called him.firstly he never picked my phone.after a lot of trying he attended my call on next day.he told me to email him details and photos of parcel i got.i did that.there wars no parcel for two weeks.i called him again on 29th.he told me that he didnt get the email and told me to send email again.and i did. Today february13 still no parcel and he is not attending any calls

guys i am from kerala.its long jurney to his home.can any one help me ?

khan i tried his number it is switched off, he did call me once, that time he was in a hurry and he needed some 6s batt, looks like he has switched to filming for tollywood.

good luck buddy

lesson is it is always safe to buy from reputed LHS, these small time ones are always risky

grrr

does any one knows his more than given number on his web site

i mean his personal mobile number

check his public profile his last active Today at 08:33:29 AM

http://www.rcindia.org/rc-outlets-and-resellers/lhs-issue/msg171690/#new (http://www.rcindia.org/rc-outlets-and-resellers/lhs-issue/msg171690/#new)

When ever read topic about him i use to check his public profile whether he is active member or not.he visit rcindia regularly but no reply from him.

Hope getting ready for fox stories.

People should have been beware of this LHS from the very first instance "Logo making competition" hoax.
Surprising that there are still people who fall prey.
BTW shall we go flying this week moorthy sir. there is another location which is a big dried lake around a KM surrounding with nothing in between and its around 25KN from my home. me and my bro flew last week with excellent flight timings due to no wind. good place for nitros too.

Ashok.P

Sure ashok.

please fix the time and date will get my rarebear.count jonnywalker too.

Ashok look for near by place.

The place that we already mentioned in this thread should be good and near to everyone,
http://www.rcindia.org/rc-locations-and-clubs/where-to-fly-in-chennai/ (http://www.rcindia.org/rc-locations-and-clubs/where-to-fly-in-chennai/)

but the new place is really good with no disturbance and long LOS
with three packs of Lipo and a good field charger setup we flew almost for 7 complete hours from 7am to 2pm.

i have a 600watts invertor that can hook up with car battery to charge Lipo.

Ashok.P

Quote from: khan007 on February 13, 2014, 04:52:37 PM
does any one knows his more than given number on his web site

I've deleted all his contact numbers.:) I know his place, wait for some time, coz he is very busy man. :), dealing with customs and income tax kind of stuff.  :banghead: Can't spare time for customers :( , however you may get some time from him, Hopefully..!  :headscratch:

Khan, PM me your email ID. :)

guys i got my order frm rcbharat .i think he is not so bad.i told him that i need it urgently so he sent be parcel.he didnt even botherd for things he send me mistakly

What next

Still I dint receive servo extension

Can you explain in detail ? From where you purchased servo extension ? And when ?

I purchased from www.RCbharath.com  last week I purchased from them

There is no seller like rcbharath. Correct is rcbharat.com

yea rcbharat.com only my order number NPVQZTTRX