Moreover, to say that we do not have a forum to voice our experiences (good or bad) on the service quality of the LHS is not acceptable at all.

Pankaj

This thread has become a mess with topics that should be 2 or 3 separate threads. People are ending up with wrong conclusions about the freedom of speech this forum stands for. Looking back at my posts I guess I'm also guilty of using strong language that could have contributed to that impression. Anyway as usual I'm sure Anwar will do a good job of cleaning up the mess 

Not sure if we can arrive at conclusions with only opinions being expressed  . Afterall someone isn't happy with what they got and many are happy to express the  in doing a certain business 

Anwar Bhai, can you pls make this a sticky topic. We will take it off the moment MPowerShopping makes some positive steps

Done.

Dude.. I hope you are not letting him walk with this fraud ?

We have some Chennai guys here, if someone can go at his office or get in touch with him and try to sort this out would be great for our friend here..

Do a police case or do something my friend.. If you let him go with this am pretty sure he will con other people as well..

Kick his *ss

QuoteDo a police case or do something my friend.. If you let him go with this am pretty sure he will con other people as well..

There is no response to telephone calls - I have tried both the numbers listed - so it looks like they have shut up shop for (their) good. In which case you would not find anyone at their address, either. Under the circumstances, I doubt anything effective can really be done except lick ones wounds.

BTW did ANYONE have any dealing with these guys?

Of course there are legal recourses, including simpler ones like the consumer courts.  Not sure if they are worth the time/effort, except for the satisfaction/example aspects.

came across this thread..it seems our friend is not the only guy who has a problem with mpowershopping..

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/shifting-gears/43909-miniature-remote-controlled-airplanes-aeromodelling-3.html

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QuoteOf course there are legal recourses, including simpler ones like the consumer courts.  

Even if one has the inclination, time and effort, what can one do if they have ceased to exist? They seem to have gone completely off the radar.

FWIK, depending on how the business is registered (partnership versus limited), courts will order liquidation of the owners or firms assets, and the proceeds will be distributed to the creditors.  The problem is the duration for such proceeds.

To the best of MY knowledge, such directives are not the prerogative of consumer courts.

In any case (pun intended) this is all really academic.

In future "caveat emptor" (in English: "let the buyer beware").

Given the legal process in India, I wonder what will be the outcome.

Another thought is that given most of the LHS are individuals and not full fledged corporations, if the guy has decides to take off for an extended holiday or is unable to attend office for an extended period of time due to personal reasons, what could be done?

Which brings us back to the question of rating the online stores. If one is dealing with an LHS locally ( i.e. same city, locality etc), one may be able to build a relationship and deal on a one-to-one basis, but what happens when most of the dealings is online?

Pankaj

Quote from: anwar on January 19, 2010, 02:25:53 PM
Of course there are legal recourses, including simpler ones like the consumer courts.  Not sure if they are worth the time/effort, except for the satisfaction/example aspects.

I think it would be great to file a consumer case. If the payment was made using check/Credit Card, it would be of great help.

My whole point was not to worship false prophets - I take pleasure to go to kind of Mr Sanjeev to buy whatever I can find in his store. its nice experience to have some talk with 'orignal modelers' like him (wish to see his Smoothie  complete  soon)!!
But in the words of late IT czar Dewang Mehta of NASCOM "Internet only magnifies the existing problems", so are such 'Runaway Bitches' who sell and pack-up. They ever existed, but internet has brought them to everyone's door.

Using forum to warn any fraudulent phony LHS is always a good idea. New comers should make use of LHS megalist and leave TOFTT for seniors.

The HC API was just a hunch, and I left any member actually orderring stuff form MPower to verify possibility, and then we may better avoid such people.

All the best Anto.

Thank you for the suggestions guys.. I am planning to do a location check next time I am in Chennai. I had done an electronic bank transfer. So there is proof of receipt of money. But without any bill/PO etc I don't know if I can take it to the consumer courts.

Talking of which, I feel our consumer courts are ineffective because there is not much money for the lawyers in it. If we adopt the US model where hefty court fines are awarded, a size-able amount of which goes to the attorney's purses etc can get a lot of lawyers interested. Nothing motivates as much as money. Till then we won't get effective legal intervention.
A lot of our so called legitimate shops (car dealerships, service outlets etc) takes the consumer for a ride here. But the threat of a 1 crore suite can definitely cure these guys.. Think of a lawyer making 10-20 lacs as attorney fees in this case, now that would be different priority. (Sorry for digression on topic  )

I am really sorry to say this.For 1 thing i had already dispatched the transmitter ages ago?? If i remember i even gave you the docket number over phone??. And thats the last i have ever heard from you. I am no more a rc modeler and i do not FREQUENT forums you had listed. I guess over a conversation with you i even told you this. If you didn't receive your mail you could have mailed me your feedback??. And believe me i am not someone who is doing this for lack of money. I am posting your money and a completely new transmitter into your account by morning. I damn need not have your money and nor am i a cheat to take your money and run away. The last call i had from your side was if i am right by dec 26th or something. So on all accounts i presume that everything is fine. Unless and otherwise you get back to me how ON THIS WORLD DO I KNOW IF SOMETHINGS GONE WRONG.  I also saw you posting some link where in there was a another problem. Dat guy still has to pay me money so will You take responsibility of that. His bill amount is Rs 24000/- he has still now paid me Rs 16k i am lagging in on 8K and dat guy still persists dat he can buy a futaba 6 ex for 5k?? It can all be made to sound dat the vendor is a criminal but will you guys pay me that money?? Another incident- a person buys a edge from me for Rs 6k from delhi. he works in a leading audit firm.... i promised that my money has been transfered and till today that hasnt been done. Its 2 years so do i go and say to the world you guys are frauds???. I care a damn about money and i dont run my business for that. Please update me on your bank account now and i will transfer your money NOW and i have also instructed my office to send you another transmitter. The previous parcel was sent via fed-ex we will have the bill for it so i will trace it and mail you a scanned copy. But will you and can you get me my name back?. There is always tWo sides to a coin... and NOT EVERY1 IN THIS WORLD ARE FRAUDS.

Quote from: atul_pg on January 19, 2010, 11:21:05 AM
Dude.. I hope you are not letting him walk with this fraud ?

We have some Chennai guys here, if someone can go at his office or get in touch with him and try to sort this out would be great for our friend here..

Do a police case or do something my friend.. If you let him go with this am pretty sure he will con other people as well..

Kick his *ss

You are welcome to c\try to  kick my *ss. Unlewss and otherwise you know of whats happening please do not feel free to talk about someone else. Y dont u drop down to chennai and we can see??

got carried away with the conversation if you follow the entire thread..about dropping in to Chennai I would really like to do that someday but of course to meet all the aeromodellers and have a good time flying..

antojk your call my friend..

Quote from: Mpowershopping on February 14, 2010, 05:38:02 PM
I am really sorry to say this.For 1 thing i had already dispatched the transmitter ages ago?? If i remember i even gave you the docket number over phone??.

Looks like you are very angry when caught..:-).  I checked with Fedex online and TVM office and both reported that the docket number you gave was non existent. And knowing Fedex, If they couldn't deliver then you would have got the package back...  To prove the point, please post the docket number online again here. Fedex keep records of their transactions and they have dates.

Quote from: Mpowershopping on February 14, 2010, 05:38:02 PM
And thats the last i have ever heard from you. I am no more a rc modeler and i do not FREQUENT forums you had listed. I guess over a conversation with you i even told you this. If you didn't receive your mail you could have mailed me your feedback??.

I send you numerous mails from gmail. if you responded prior to my sending money, why didn't you  respond to after? Also I send you numerous sms's on your mobile phone and tried contacting you on the numbers given at mpowershopping.com. Your mobile phone was never accessible and the same with the landline. I have got copies of those mails and sms's with me... and phone records if you want.

I finally chatted with Anwar, a lot of people respect him here. He tried contacting you on  my behalf, all to no avail. After consulting them, I finally took this measure.

Quote from: Mpowershopping on February 14, 2010, 05:38:02 PM
And believe me i am not someone who is doing this for lack of money. I am posting your money and a completely new transmitter into your account by morning. I damn need not have your money and nor am i a cheat to take your money and run away. The last call i had from your side was if i am right by dec 26th or something. So on all accounts i presume that everything is fine. Unless and otherwise you get back to me how ON THIS WORLD DO I KNOW IF SOMETHINGS GONE WRONG.  I also saw you posting some link where in there was a another problem. Dat guy still has to pay me money so will You take responsibility of that. His bill amount is Rs 24000/- he has still now paid me Rs 16k i am lagging in on 8K and dat guy still persists dat he can buy a futaba 6 ex for 5k?? It can all be made to sound dat the vendor is a criminal but will you guys pay me that money?? Another incident- a person buys a edge from me for Rs 6k from delhi. he works in a leading audit firm.... i promised that my money has been transfered and till today that hasnt been done. Its 2 years so do i go and say to the world you guys are frauds???. I care a damn about money and i dont run my business for that. Please update me on your bank account now and i will transfer your money NOW and i have also instructed my office to send you another transmitter. The previous parcel was sent via fed-ex we will have the bill for it so i will trace it and mail you a scanned copy. But will you and can you get me my name back?. There is always tWo sides to a coin... and NOT EVERY1 IN THIS WORLD ARE FRAUDS.

You are behaving like a child now. It hurt you when I posted on the gmail buzz because your friends may see it. As I mentioned in my emails and sms's, Rs 2600/- is a paltry sum to loose your integrity on. But you see, nobody gets away scott free.

If somebody has cheated you, you have every right to voice protest. I hold no malice against you other than the fact that you behaved very unprofessionally..

Well, good to see you back on the forum. I just hope it is all a communication issue.  As a casual observer, there are so many unanswered questions though.  Every effort to contact you was in vain.  I tried emailing from two different email providers.  Anto tried multiple times to contact you using multiple methods. Sushil bhai tried to call both your numbers.  

If you fall off from the face of the earth like this (totally incommunicado), then any reasonable person will come to certain conclusions, and people cannot be blamed for that.  When this issue was first brought up, my first advise to Anto was that we both will try to contact you independently before making this a public issue.  I even suggested that it is end of the year, and you may be on vacation or something.  Only after trying multiple times over couple of weeks and giving up, this was brought up in public by Anto. What else would someone do when a "shop" (not a "person") cannot be contacted using any means ?

Again, I hope it was all a misunderstanding.  You can put yourself in the shoes of any member of the forum (or any member of the public), and you will realize that the opinions expressed are just natural human reactions.

Bravo Anwar Bhai. Well said

Mr.Antony,

Serioulsy if i had mail i would have replied to them. If u do recollect our conversation d last time i spoke to u was on the 26th of dec. After that the only way to reach me would have been my mail as i was not in chennai... If anyone has been flying in chennai they would have known dat im not in town. I was not reachable on my calls cas the nos listed is my personal nos and me not being in town i left my phone to my pal in office. But once i was back i had no idea of what was happening. I was in the 2nd of week of Jan and if i am right Mr. antony u have my nos to call me up??? If i am right i had even called u from office landline?? u could have called in  dat?? Not the one listed in d site but the one i had called from my desk?? but when u didnt hear from som1 u always take it dats no issues??. And y should i give fake nos?? I gave the nos which i was given by the courier guy...And dont mistake me i am not replying cas u left me a buzz... i am replying cas i am not a fraud. And if u think dat im replying cas my friends would see dat i cheated Rs 2600/- beleive those who know me will know whats the truth

Quote from: anwar on February 14, 2010, 06:06:24 PM
Well, good to see you back on the forum. I just hope it is all a communication issue.  As a casual observer, there are so many unanswered questions though.  Every effort to contact you was in vain.  I tried emailing from two different email providers.  Anto tried multiple times to contact you using multiple methods. Sushil bhai tried to call both your numbers. 

If you fall off from the face of the earth like this (totally incommunicado), then any reasonable person will come to certain conclusions, and people cannot be blamed for that.  When this issue was first brought up, my first advise to Anto was that we both will try to contact you independently before making this a public issue.  I even suggested that it is end of the year, and you may be on vacation or something.  Only after trying multiple times over couple of weeks and giving up, this was brought up in public by Anto. What else would someone do when a "shop" (not a "person") cannot be contacted using any means ?

Again, I hope it was all a misunderstanding.  You can put yourself in the shoes of any member of the forum (or any member of the public), and you will realize that the opinions expressed are just natural human reactions.

Mr.Anwar the problem is understood. will be taken care by morning...my only wish this could have been cleared up longtime back had i got my mail.The last mail i got was with his address and after that i have nothing....i will check through my mail again.....and at any cost i owe Mr.Antony a apology for the delay in delivery-though not caused by me rather by my courier company. Albeit its my fault in choosing the wrong company...

Quote from: Mpowershopping on February 14, 2010, 06:37:42 PM
Mr.Antony,

Serioulsy if i had mail i would have replied to them. If u do recollect our conversation d last time i spoke to u was on the 26th of dec. After that the only way to reach me would have been my mail as i was not in chennai... If anyone has been flying in chennai they would have known dat im not in town. I was not reachable on my calls cas the nos listed is my personal nos and me not being in town i left my phone to my pal in office.

Is 9841427333 your personal number? I know of only this number... This the number listed in the contacts page of your site too.  I had send sms's to this number well after december 26. Anwar Bhai also tried contacting you on this number. I had send you email on your gmail address in January

Quote from: Mpowershopping on February 14, 2010, 06:37:42 PM
But once i was back i had no idea of what was happening. I was in the 2nd of week of Jan and if i am right Mr. antony u have my nos to call me up??? If i am right i had even called u from office landline?? u could have called in  dat?? Not the one listed in d site but the one i had called from my desk?? but when u didnt hear from som1 u always take it dats no issues??. And y should i give fake nos?? I gave the nos which i was given by the courier guy...And dont mistake me i am not replying cas u left me a buzz... i am replying cas i am not a fraud. And if u think dat im replying cas my friends would see dat i cheated Rs 2600/- beleive those who know me will know whats the truth

Nobody is saying you are a fraud my friend.. Please take the necessary action. Please check  ur gmail now. I have send you a mail also..

Also, Fedex representative in Trivandrum categorically says that they have not received any courier with the docket number given by you...
Please post it again.. I can check with them. If they goofed up somebody should take an action on them